Two tracks from cracked Grandad 2

Alikberoff · Post by **Alikberoff** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 10:56 am

Hello!

I find two floppies with "Grandad 2" game and it is cracked.
I'm looking for two tracker music (at start and at end).
(Direct link.)

My-self screen capture

Near 1:55 - track by "Mad Max - Cynix" for crack.
Near 6:15 - title music of game.

In ModArchive I'm can't find it.

Thank You!

Respect!

Post by **Mug UK** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:06 pm

The first one is chip music, so you won't find it the MOD archive.

The second one is definitely a MOD but it's not been ripped as far as I can see (not in SNDH - not checked Fading Twilight yet though)

Alikberoff · Post by **Alikberoff** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 2:34 pm

Mug UK wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 12:06 pmThe first one is chip music, so you won't find it the MOD archive.

Why?

ModArchive - greatest resource!

Well, original theme of "Robocop ]|[" I'm found here and it's playing with JavaScript just fun, like NES Version.

Robocop 3

I tryed make remake of it on USSR-Computer...
Direct Link

Play

But my player is too raw for it.

The second one is definitely a MOD but it's not been ripped as far as I can see (not in SNDH - not checked Fading Twilight yet though)

But we can do the snapshot of memory of emulator and ripping that tracks?

mlynn1974 · Post by **mlynn1974** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:45 pm

The second tune is in ABK STOS Tracker format. It is GRANDAD.ABK on disk 1.
This has been converted from a SoundTracker Module but it mucks around with the samples and pattern data.
I don't think there is a converter to convert it back to mod format.

The tune is a version of "Grandad We Love You" made famous by Clive Dunn!

Alikberoff · Post by **Alikberoff** » Sat Jan 18, 2025 5:23 pm

mlynn1974 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 18, 2025 3:45 pmThe first is in ABK STOS Tracker format. It is GRANDAD.ABK on disk 1.
This has been converted from a SoundTracker Module but it mucks around with the samples and pattern data.

Hm...
But original is exist anywhere?

Sorry, but if it - converted version for Atari-ST, where is origin?

I don't think there is a converter to convert it back to mod format.

Well, so... We can convert ZX-Spectrum pt-format to ay, but we can't convert ay to pt back.
It's right.

The tune is a version of Grandad We Love You made famous by Clive Dunn!

Wow!

It's really This Song!

mlynn1974 · Post by **mlynn1974** » Sun Jan 19, 2025 12:39 am

1. The tune by Mad Max is Pro BMX Simulator A
It is in the SNDH archive under Mad_Max\Demos\C64-Conversions

2. The second tune is a MOD converted to ABK format and it can played by BZR Player on Windows:

Download tune in zip file:
http://www.lynn3686.com/download/mus/grandad1.zip

It seems that AMOS uses an identical format in its sound utilities so I tried using Abk2Mod-II.lha to convert it using WinUAE but it didn't work:
https://aminet.net/dev/amos
Abk2Mod-II.lha requires reqtools.library so copy it to your LIBS: directory if you want to try it.

Download BZR Player:
http://bzrplayer.blazer.nu

SToS · Post by **SToS** » Sun Jan 19, 2025 3:27 am

XMP (https://xmp.sourceforge.net/) also plays ABK music banks and can convert/mix them to WAV too.

Alikberoff · Post by **Alikberoff** » Sun Jan 19, 2025 11:15 am

Thanks a lot!

I just wondered something good tracks has no remakes.
I collecting chip-tune and other since early 2000's and downloaded ModArchive torrent. Including the MOD/S3M and AdLib-HSC.
But, to my sorry, something from BBS, I can't find in ModArchive that artists.

mlynn1974 · Post by **mlynn1974** » Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:01 pm

Sorry, but if it - converted version for Atari-ST, where is origin?

The author will have the original mod probably on a floppy disk. As far as I know it has never been published on the internet and after 32 years it must be considered lost. The tune was converted to ABK format for use in the game.

Some MODs were written natively on the ST using Audio Sculpture, Esion Tracker or ProTracker ST/STE. They might not be in Mod Archive but some are on Demozoo. The play routine used by STOS Tracker may be a little bit faster than other routines available at that time. For example I think it converts the number of words per sample to number of bytes to recalculate sample positions more quickly. It also has separate replay routines at different frequencies and no STE enhanced replay routine.

I also tried using ProWizard on the Amiga emulator but it could not convert the ABK back to a module either.

Alikberoff · Post by **Alikberoff** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:08 pm

mlynn1974 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 19, 2025 1:01 pmThey might not be in Mod Archive but some are on Demozoo.

Well, I find few tracks at this moment.

The play routine used by STOS Tracker may be a little bit faster than other routines available at that time. For example I think it converts the number of words per sample to number of bytes to recalculate sample positions more quickly. It also has separate replay routines at different frequencies and no STE enhanced replay routine.

Like in MODs, where used frequency division coefficients. That useful for playing, but awe for conversion.

Hm...
And that floppies with cracked Grandad and music by Mad Max - I can't find in web. Why?
I have an exclusive floppies?

When I get access to my old HDD with different emulators and can get that "Cracked Grandad" version (video on top), anybody can to help to ripping this "Cynix" track by Mad Max?

Respect!

Zippy · Post by **Zippy** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:56 pm

Alikberoff wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:08 pm And that floppies with cracked Grandad and music by Mad Max - I can't find in web. Why?

You can find the 2 disks here:
https://www.planetemu.net/rom/atari-st- ... 2-cr-cynix
https://www.planetemu.net/rom/atari-st- ... 2-cr-cynix

The full Mad Max music track you can play and download here:
https://sndh.atari.org/?ID=2113

The one I used in the Cynix intro is shortened and looped. With the "full screen" scroller there wasn't enough processor time left for the normal music playback routine so I just captured the raw sound registers from the hardware and played those back directly in the VBL, which was much faster but also much bigger, so I just chopped and looped a part of it.

Alikberoff · Post by **Alikberoff** » Mon Jan 20, 2025 5:59 pm

Zippy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:56 pmThe full Mad Max music track you can play and download here:
https://sndh.atari.org/?ID=2113

Wow! It's cool!!!

Many years of searching!

The one I used in the Cynix intro is shortened and looped. With the "full screen" scroller there wasn't enough processor time left for the normal music playback routine so I just captured the raw sound registers from the hardware and played those back directly in the VBL, which was much faster but also much bigger, so I just chopped and looped a part of it.

Hm-mmm...
Then, it is far from original source?

We have completed chip-tune, but it is no source and too poor for conversion (to MOD, S3M, XM) for FMod.dll / Bass.dll?

P.S.: Anyway, Thank You great for Your work!

Respect!

Alikberoff · Post by **Alikberoff** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 5:59 pm

For this moment I find also...

Panza Kick Boxing – Present - MOD
Sir Fred - MP3

But I confused:

Panza Kick Boxing - the regular MOD-file, but without the notes: Ripped sample from where? Why? Where is original source?
Sir Fred - I find this MP3 only, without any tracker music and Amiga Music Collection show no results by "Charles Callet"

I understand that all tracks are walks from one platform to other platforms. And I unknown, how I can retrace this paths back to origins.
It's difficult question. But very interests!

Respect!

Post by **Mug UK** » Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:38 pm

Charles Callet had his own music routine which didn't use MOD files. If you search for him on SNDH website, you will find all of his music files.

Alikberoff · Post by **Alikberoff** » Wed Jan 22, 2025 10:15 am

Mug UK wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2025 9:38 pm Charles Callet had his own music routine which didn't use MOD files. If you search for him on SNDH website, you will find all of his music files.

Yes, thank You!

But, unfortunately, there is not in collection "Sir Fred" compose.

Post by **Mug UK** » Wed Jan 22, 2025 1:17 pm

Then it's not (yet) been ripped. I think, from memory, I attempted to rip it as a Quartet-based file but it wasn't quite successful. But that was a looong time ago.

Quartet was another music tool for sample-based music, like a Modtracker, but a completely different file format.

elliot · Post by **elliot** » Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:01 pm

enough processor time left for the normal music playback routine so I just captured the raw sound registers from the hardware and played those back directly in the VBL, which was much faster but also much bigger, so I just chopped and looped a part of it.

I did an experiment with this idea years ago. Once you start grabbing a few words (or whatever it is) from the sound chip registers every 50th of a second you soon generate a lot of data.

Zippy · Post by **Zippy** » Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:13 pm

elliot wrote: ↑Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:01 pm I did an experiment with this idea years ago. Once you start grabbing a few words (or whatever it is) from the sound chip registers every 50th of a second you soon generate a lot of data.

Some of the data is only 4 bit so 2 values can be quickly "compressed" into a single byte, but I had a look at the playback routine and it's reading 8 bytes per frame, so 400 bytes a second. Hence the music had to be shortened or it would quickly become too big.

Grazey / PHF · Post by **Grazey / PHF** » Wed Jan 22, 2025 5:49 pm

Zippy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2025 3:56 pm
The one I used in the Cynix intro is shortened and looped. With the "full screen" scroller there wasn't enough processor time left for the normal music playback routine so I just captured the raw sound registers from the hardware and played those back directly in the VBL, which was much faster but also much bigger, so I just chopped and looped a part of it.

First to use that method were Level 16 in their full screen in the legendary Union demo.

Grazey

thomas3 · Post by **thomas3** » Wed Jan 22, 2025 9:29 pm

And of course the true pros look at ways to get the best of both worlds, by unpacking the next chunk of YM data each frame....

https://github.com/tattlemuss/minymiser

Alikberoff · Post by **Alikberoff** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 8:36 am

It so good.

But, against the 68K, I developing for i8080

And I interested for some curiosity moments only: Adaptation/remake under i8080 - is too hard job hobby.

Then I looking for few episodes only.

Now I find ST-Speech and recognize this electro-voice in my favorite music:
U96 - Das Boot

U96 - Das Boot

It's is too too hard, but I want to know this algorithm for remake for my i8080-Computer.

elliot · Post by **elliot** » Thu Jan 23, 2025 10:09 pm

Some of the data is only 4 bit so 2 val ... e too big.

Yeah I think my routine captured way too much, I think if the disk drive was being accessed it would have replicated that too.

Grazey / PHF · Post by **Grazey / PHF** » Sun Feb 09, 2025 12:46 pm

I've now SNDH'd the digital music :

https://sndh.atari.org/

Grazey

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