hatari and midi

[607]

Do I understand right that MIDI support is going to be added to the main Hatari release, so we don't need to rely on copson's program anymore? That would be neat.

[Eero Tamminen]

MIDI support was in Hatari already earlier, its PortMidi (needed only on Mac & Windows) output was just buggy. Federico provided fix for that, which is now in Hatari.

If you're on Mac, you can try Troed's latest nightly build from: https://troed.ddns.net/d/b90229b625/

[607]

MIDI support was in Hatari already earlier, its PortMidi (needed only on Mac & Windows) output was just buggy. Federico provided fix for that, which is now in Hatari.

If you're on Mac, you can try Troed's latest nightly build from: https://troed.ddns.net/d/b90229b625/

But isn't 2.3.1 still the latest released version?

[Eero Tamminen]

Yes, v2.3.1 is the latest release version. Troed provides builds of latest Hatari sources.

In general non-release versions of Hatari should work pretty well. Hatari has some automated tests (added by Thomas) which verify that no significant features have broken, and Hatari developers of course use the latest source version themselves, not releases.

[dressupgeekout]

Hey gang. I've been trying out Hatari w/ PortMidi support on macOS (10.13 "High Sierra") and it's been a little unstable for me. First was a crash in the SDL GUI, I made this change:

https://github.com/dressupgeekout/hatar ... 387f4dacb4

Motivated by this backtrace:

http://dressupgeekout.com/paste/charlot ... idi_bt.txt

Anyway, there's my branch. I'm happy to test things for you all. Maybe I should subscribe to the developers mailing list going forward, huh?

[dressupgeekout]

I even made a little video showing it all working with my MacBook! MIDI output, at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTTV06ed0M4

[DarkLord]

That's pretty sweet.

So can you use Hatari to load up one of the HD adapted games that
support MIDI like the Space Quest series or Ultima III and IV and
hear that wonderful MIDI output?

That would be coolness incorporated.

[federik0]

So can you use Hatari to load up one of the HD adapted games that
support MIDI like the Space Quest series or Ultima III and IV and
hear that wonderful MIDI output?

yes, midi works in games also.
I tested Ultima III/IV with Qsynth using an MT32 soundfont and sounds corrrectly.

F.

[Eero Tamminen]

Hey gang. I've been trying out Hatari w/ PortMidi support on macOS (10.13 "High Sierra") and it's been a little unstable for me. First was a crash in the SDL GUI, I made this change:

https://github.com/dressupgeekout/hatar ... 387f4dacb4

Motivated by this backtrace:

http://dressupgeekout.com/paste/charlot ... idi_bt.txt

Thanks for the backtrace + patch and sorry for the very late reply! I had quickly looked at this, but did not understand how it could happen [1], and then unfortunately forgot about it...

[1] The fields to which the PortMidi device names are copied, are of FILANAME_MAX size:

Code: Select all

$ grep sMidi.*PortName src/includes/configuration.h 
  char sMidiInPortName[FILENAME_MAX];
  char sMidiOutPortName[FILENAME_MAX];

According to Google, FILENAME_MAX is 1024 on Mac. I'm assuming that the failing strcpy() check you bumped into, was about overflowing these buffers (I do not see what else it could be if using sprintf() fixes it).

=> Are you saying that your Mac PortMidi device file names are longer than 1024 bytes???

Anyway, there's my branch. I'm happy to test things for you all. Maybe I should subscribe to the developers mailing list going forward, huh?

Yes, that would b great!

[MDCragg]

Hello all,
I'm trying to get Hatari working with MIDI on my Mac (macOS Big Sur Version 11.6.5). I've loaded Hatari V2.3.1. I'm booting TOS 2.06. I can get a MIDI program named Atari Tunesmith running in Hatari but I can't get any of its MIDI output out to my Mac. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or what else I need to do. I notice there is this bit about MIDI in Hatari's settings but the "Write MIDI output to" text box and button are disabled plus the "Input Port" and "Output Port" dropdowns only have "Off" as a choice.



Thank you so much in advance for any thoughts anyone can offer.

Matt

[dbsys]

Hello all,
I'm trying to get Hatari working with MIDI on my Mac (macOS Big Sur Version 11.6.5). I've loaded Hatari V2.3.1. I'm booting TOS 2.06. I can get a MIDI program named Atari Tunesmith running in Hatari but I can't get any of its MIDI output out to my Mac. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong or what else I need to do. I notice there is this bit about MIDI in Hatari's settings but the "Write MIDI output to" text box and button are disabled plus the "Input Port" and "Output Port" dropdowns only have "Off" as a choice.



Thank you so much in advance for any thoughts anyone can offer.

Matt

Do you have connected a MIDI interface to your Mac?

[MDCragg]

So far I’ve only tried to get it to work with a software synthesizer. I can try plugging in a hardware synth.

[darwinmac]

I do not use MIDI on Hatari (or at all). However, I think some changes have been done after 2.3.1’s release that improve MIDI on the Mac.

I would go to this website which has the MacOS development versions for Hatari:
https://sync.wtf/hatari_macos/

Bob C

[Eero Tamminen]

On Linux it works fine with software synthetizer. But you need to start your (virtual or real) MIDI device before you start (or at least reset) Hatari, because PortMidi iterates through the available devices only when it's initialized, it does not noticed anything being added after that.

And you definitely need latest development version (Nicolas is doing a release of it soonish), because there are bugs in Hatari v2.3.1 PortMidi MIDI event handling which cause PortMidi event handling to break e.g. on some SysEx MIDI events. Those issues are fixed only in the development version.

PS. This is the main fix, but there are also some other minor things: https://git.tuxfamily.org/hatari/hatari ... f51e90b201

[MDCragg]

Progress!!! I downloaded v2.4.0-devel (May 20 2022) / Hatari.20220520_142100.dmg and launched it. It sees Cycling 74 Max (which I have on my machine). I can choose either "To Max 1" or "To Max 2" in Hatari then run Atari Tunesmith and I am getting MIDI output to my Mac's generic built-in synthesizer. I'll have to figure out how to work with Max to get MIDI to either my software or hardware synths or play around with other MIDI devices to see if Hatari recognizes them. Getting any kind of MIDI output from Hatari is a HUGE win.

Thank you so much for the feedback here and thank you to whomever is working on these successive Hatari iterations so they include MIDI output. I appreciate it so much!

Matt

[forty2]

Hello -
I'm on MacOS 10.14 and been having limited success with MIDI on Hatari v2.3.1. Some programs like Tunesmith work fine, others, like Cubase or MSG 4 do not. If I launch one of the programs where MIDI doesn't work, it seems to bork MIDI functionality to the point where I have to re-launch the app before the working programs will work again.
I've tried v2.4.0-devel (June 11 2022), but I just get a white window - this is the case with both emuTOS or TOS 2.06.
When launching from the command line, I get some errors about JackRouter, and some warnings about MMU emulation, and finally a Bus error writing to an address, but I get those same errors when successfully launching v2.3.1.

Any tricks to get the latest builds working correctly on MacOS?
thanks!
Paul

[Eero Tamminen]

I've tried v2.4.0-devel (June 11 2022), but I just get a white window - this is the case with both emuTOS or TOS 2.06.

Could you try with Hatari default config, and if that works, provide the config with which you get just the while window?

(Only issues preventing the v2.4 release since end of May have been related to Falcon emulation.)

[evil]

Hello -
I'm on MacOS 10.14 and been having limited success with MIDI on Hatari v2.3.1. Some programs like Tunesmith work fine, others, like Cubase or MSG 4 do not. If I launch one of the programs where MIDI doesn't work, it seems to bork MIDI functionality to the point where I have to re-launch the app before the working programs will work again.
I've tried v2.4.0-devel (June 11 2022), but I just get a white window - this is the case with both emuTOS or TOS 2.06.
When launching from the command line, I get some errors about JackRouter, and some warnings about MMU emulation, and finally a Bus error writing to an address, but I get those same errors when successfully launching v2.3.1.

Any tricks to get the latest builds working correctly on MacOS?
thanks!
Paul

There are no tricks to get the macOS development builds to work, they are more or less the same as real release archives.
I'm running the build from yesterday without issue, both with x64 (macOS 10.14) and Aarch64 (macOS 12).

However, there was a problem with ST-HIGH Monochrome recently that was fixed only a few days ago. So perhaps you could try to download the very latest build from https://sync.wtf/hatari_macos/ to be sure it's not that bug.

[Eero Tamminen]

I've tried v2.4.0-devel (June 11 2022), but I just get a white window - this is the case with both emuTOS or TOS 2.06.

Can you try the latest 2.4.0-devel snapshot? It would be good to have verification before 2.4 is released, on whether your issue is the same as what was fixed recently.

[forty2]

Hi - so sorry for the lag.
I've tested the one from 7/30 Hatari.20220730_101541.dmg.zip which seems to work: Launches, and sends MIDI on programs that didn't previously work.
I tried the latest one from today Hatari.20220804_122909.dmg.zip which did not launch. Let me know if you want me to try anything else on the later builds?

[Eero Tamminen]

Hi - so sorry for the lag.
I've tested the one from 7/30 Hatari.20220730_101541.dmg.zip which seems to work: Launches, and sends MIDI on programs that didn't previously work.
I tried the latest one from today Hatari.20220804_122909.dmg.zip which did not launch. Let me know if you want me to try anything else on the later builds?

That's really odd. There should be no relevant differences between July 30th and today (August 4th), only testing and documentation changes:
https://git.tuxfamily.org/hatari/hatari.git/log/

Unless it's not change in Hatari, but in how Mac daily builds are done: viewtopic.php?p=436415#p436415

Note that you do not need to use daily builds any more for Hatari PortMidi support fixes.

Hatari v2.4.0 was released last month: https://download.tuxfamily.org/hatari/2.4.0/

And v2.4.1 release binaries are just being built. For release notes, see: https://git.tuxfamily.org/hatari/hatari ... -notes.txt

(Soon to be updated also at: https://hatari.tuxfamily.org/doc/release-notes.txt)

[forty2]

v2.4.0 seems to work, as does MIDI. Thanks!
BUT...
If I hit F12 to the main menu, and go to 'Devices' and then 'Back to Main Menu', it crashes. Happens on the few betas I've tried, but not on 2.3.1, and on both the included EmuTOS and 2.06. It doesn't happen on other sub-menu pages, and I only have valid MIDI devices selected (printer & RS-232 deselected).
If I make changes via the Preferences dialog, it's fine.
Weird, eh?

[Eero Tamminen]

v2.4.0 seems to work, as does MIDI. Thanks!
BUT...
If I hit F12 to the main menu, and go to 'Devices' and then 'Back to Main Menu', it crashes. Happens on the few betas I've tried, but not on 2.3.1, and on both the included EmuTOS and 2.06. It doesn't happen on other sub-menu pages, and I only have valid MIDI devices selected (printer & RS-232 deselected).
If I make changes via the Preferences dialog, it's fine.
Weird, eh?

Ok, so the issue is in the SDL GUI Midi settings handling. There was a bug fixed for that in 2.4.0, which had triggered only on Mac, but your crash might also be due to (another) run-time check in Mac system libraries.

Could you run Hatari from console and if there's some complaint / assert output to the console just before the crash, paste it here?

[troed]

I tried the latest one from today Hatari.20220804_122909.dmg.zip which did not launch. Let me know if you want me to try anything else on the later builds?

This is worrying. That build is made the same way as the next release build will be done. Can you let me know the reason why it isn't launching? (Launching the hatari binary from commandline usually gives more info if the macOS UI doesn't)

Thank you,
Troed

[darwinmac]

Troed,

I do not use MIDI, but I also cannot get the latest nightly to run.

When I run it from the commandline, this is what I see:
dyld[58763]: Library not loaded: '/opt/local/lib/libncurses.6.dylib'
Referenced from: '/Applications/Games/Hatari/Hatari.app/Contents/Frameworks/libreadline.8.1.dylib'
Reason: tried: '/opt/local/lib/libncurses.6.dylib' (no such file), '/usr/lib/libncurses.6.dylib' (no such file)
zsh: abort ./hatari

If a Mac user does not feel comfortable using the command-line (Terminal), you can get similar information by selecting Report when Hatari does not start. Then you look for "Termination Reason". When I did this, I saw this similar information:

Termination Reason: Namespace DYLD, Code 1 Library missing
Library not loaded: '/opt/local/lib/libncurses.6.dylib'
Referenced from: '/Volumes/*/Hatari.app/Contents/Frameworks/libreadline.8.1.dylib'
Reason: tried: '/opt/local/lib/libncurses.6.dylib' (no such file), '' (no such file)
(terminated at launch; ignore backtrace)

Bob C