Magic mac open sourced

Frank B · Post by **Frank B** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:22 pm

https://gitlab.com/AndreasK/AtariX

Would be great if magic for the ST also makes it!

shoggoth · Post by **shoggoth** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 8:45 pm

Pretty cool.

Post by **joska** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 9:35 pm

It's actually not MagiCMac that's been open sourced, but an emulator called "AtariX" by the same author. AFAICS there are no sources for MagiC, only a binary.

calimero · Post by **calimero** » Sun Mar 04, 2018 11:17 pm

Is it possible to contact Andreas over gitlab site?

He wrote that this is succesor for MagicMac - I wonder how MagicMac is different then Magic for Atari?!
As I understand MagicMac is same as Magic for Atari plus Atari hardware emulator. If this is true, then this could be modified and compiled for real Atari computer?

Post by **mikro** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:25 am

I've asked him just recently and he didn't confirm any rumours about inability to access his source code -- he just has "too many media and too many archives and too many years ago". He said he's going to take a look, so ... fingers crossed.

Post by **joska** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:49 am

calimero wrote:As I understand MagicMac is same as Magic for Atari plus Atari hardware emulator. If this is true, then this could be modified and compiled for real Atari computer?

There are no sources for MagiC at all, just binaries. It's "only" the actual emulator that has been opensourced. So there is no sense in porting this to an actual Atari, unless you want to run MagiC at 1% of it's native speed.

mikro wrote:He said he's going to take a look, so ... fingers crossed.

It would be great if MagiC was open sourced, although not very likely based on his old statements:

Regarding open source: As long as I am maintaining MagicMacX, MagiC
will not going to be open source. Further, it is unlikely to become
open source later, because the source code is nearly 100% assembler
und hardly understandable.

Let's hope he has changed his mind since 2003

Post by **mikro** » Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:19 pm

joska wrote:It would be great if MagiC was open sourced, although not very likely based on his old statements:

Regarding open source: As long as I am maintaining MagicMacX, MagiC
will not going to be open source. Further, it is unlikely to become
open source later, because the source code is nearly 100% assembler
und hardly understandable.
Let's hope he has changed his mind since 2003 :)

Well, Dan Wilga certainly did. ;)

Faucon2001 · Post by **Faucon2001** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:10 am

WoW ! Great News

leech · Post by **leech** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:52 am

Cool, wonder if someone will port it to Linux.

calimero · Post by **calimero** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 6:31 am

@joska I understand now. So Magic Mac itself is consist from Atari emulator and unmodified Atari Magic.

Andreas at least did not have harddrive crash and did not lost source code

wongck · Post by **wongck** » Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:08 pm

Great news... 1st step done to more open source.

calimero wrote:Andreas at least did not have harddrive crash and did not lost source code

or good backup

Post by **mikro** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 10:50 am

Check this out guys: https://gitlab.com/AndreasK/Atari-Mac-MagiC-Sources

The next stage: MagiC sources for all platforms (Atari, Milan, Hades, Mac...)

Frank B · Post by **Frank B** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:12 am

mikro wrote:Check this out guys: https://gitlab.com/AndreasK/Atari-Mac-MagiC-Sources

The next stage: MagiC sources for all platforms (Atari, Milan, Hades, Mac...)

Hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

shoggoth · Post by **shoggoth** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:30 am

Frank B wrote:
mikro wrote:Check this out guys: https://gitlab.com/AndreasK/Atari-Mac-MagiC-Sources

The next stage: MagiC sources for all platforms (Atari, Milan, Hades, Mac...)
Hell yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kernel sources not there yet though

Cyprian · Post by **Cyprian** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:33 am

awesome news

wongck · Post by **wongck** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:33 am

Wow I wonder what new enhancement will be coming in for this !!

Post by **joska** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 11:59 am

Fantastic news! I'm no MagiC user myself but I like the minimalistic and modular approach used in e.g. MagiCDesk. I'm tempted to see if the tools/desktop can be adapted to work with MiNT/XaAES.

calimero · Post by **calimero** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 12:35 pm

Holly crap!!!

Looks like 2018. will be year of Atari /|\

I wonder what Andreas Kromke do in last 20 years...?

calimero · Post by **calimero** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 6:54 pm

!!!

This two topic ("The end of Calamus: invers Software closes on March 31, 2018" and "Magic mac open sourced") are in direct connection !!

From german wikipedia Calamus article:

"However, MagicMac (X) only runs on Mac OS X 10.6.8 machines, Mac OS X Lion is no longer supported because the Apple Carbon Framework, originally introduced as a bridge technology from Mac OS to Mac OS X, no longer supports becomes. Andreas "Kaos" Kromke, however, worked on a new Cocoa-based emulator - working title "Atari X", which is in the advanced beta stage and is already running under the Calamus SL R8. Andreas Kromke has discontinued the development of "Atari X" and handed over the source code to Calamus SL developer and distributor Ulf Dunkel."

It is look like that now, when Ulf Dunkel decide to close Calamus and iCalamus further development, that Andreas decide (or both, together with Ulf) to publish MagiC and AtariX source code

penguin · Post by **penguin** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:24 pm

calimero wrote:
It is look like that now, when Ulf Dunkel decide to close Calamus and iCalamus further development, that Andreas decide (or both, together with Ulf) to publish MagiC and AtariX source code

Andreas did send AtariX to anyone who asked though and ASH is still selling MagiC Mac X. He even plans to open source KAOS, his TOS 1.04 modification.

tyk · Post by **tyk** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 8:52 pm

penguin wrote: ASH is still selling MagiC Mac X.

Yes it seems: https://www.ashshop.biz/diverses/atari/1/magic-mac-x-cd
But is there english version?

tyk · Post by **tyk** » Mon Mar 12, 2018 9:15 pm

Frank B wrote:https://gitlab.com/AndreasK/AtariX

"Bugs and Agenda".."Application should be created with latest XCode"

IF Problem = Lates XCode makes code for latest macOS THEN This might help: https://github.com/devernay/xcodelegacy
I hope that somebody compile version for older OS X version.

TheNameOfTheGame · Post by **TheNameOfTheGame** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 3:05 am

Now can we get MagiC atari released?

SteveBagley · Post by **SteveBagley** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 8:43 am

tyk wrote:
Frank B wrote:https://gitlab.com/AndreasK/AtariX
"Bugs and Agenda".."Application should be created with latest XCode"

IF Problem = Lates XCode makes code for latest macOS THEN This might help: https://github.com/devernay/xcodelegacy
I hope that somebody compile version for older OS X version.

It builds with the latest XCode fine — but only in 32-bit mode. The software is still using some Carbon API calls that don’t work in 64-bit mode (it also means AtariX won’t run on the next macOS release since that’ll only fun 64-bit code).

Steve

Frank B · Post by **Frank B** » Tue Mar 13, 2018 5:40 pm

Yeah. I was able to build it on my mac. There's a binary version in the archive for those that want to play with it. You just need to pull the repo with "git clone https://gitlab.com/AndreasK/AtariX"

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