What Happened To Ocean?

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Toki was developed in house bt the french division of Ocean. By the way, Toki on st = code by M-Coder !
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Mic,

M-Coder real name is Jean-Charles Meyrignac ?


Who ! I did not know that ! :D
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Yes, that's it !
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I once read that Gary Bracey, the boss of development back then, was fired because of the RobocopIII-dongle desaster, but I dunno if this is true. He was almost some kind of rockstar in the industry.
Ocean is probably my favourite publisher of all time (they started somewhen in `83 I think). No idea why almost everybody I know is bitching about them, I love arcade-2d-plattform-jump-n-shoots-and-whatever-games(tm), ok, forget about most of their movie-conversions...
I think only few games where done in-house anyway and btw: There were rumors and stories about their low morale when it comes to paying their employees.
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hahahaha.. dongles.. a total waste of time... because?????

they rely on software... a lot of money to try and protect something that can be easily cracked.. am i right?

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If done properly dongles can be a total bitch (eg, the Rainbow/Sentinel ones)
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:cry: i do miss OCEAN a lot, too.Have loved games like Wizball and...*sneef*...also miss Psygnosis :roll:

Ohhhh remembering the good old ATARI times :wink: 8)
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Considering their releases on the ST as a whole, I'm not too sad they went away.

On a similar note, a word from one of the conrtactees of Ocean: (http://thelostpatrol.knagge.com/interview.htm)
We wanted to bring the game out just on Amiga and ST, but Ocean insisted that we also do a PC version. They sourced a great team to do the conversion, but I think it was in 4 screen colours and we hardly ever heard from them as they did their version. No requests for our control stat's for the game, its structure or how and why we structured the game as it was. I think they were just given an Amiga game and told to go and convert it by play alone! Ocean were interested only in getting titles out onto as many formats as possible, with little caring about gameplay."
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Christ . . . Okay. It was hell. They were unsupportive and downright obstructive at times. We'd taken the game idea and some screens to a couple of smaller companies, and thought we'd got it made when Ocean signed us up. How wrong we were! They were determined it was going to be an arcade game, we were determined that it wasn't - it was bound to go wrong at some point. But we also got to know other teams who were also working for them and discovered that Ocean was (alledgedly) known for not paying scheduled advances on time and being less than truthful when it came to paying royalties. Nobody stood a chance. They told you what sales had been like and you just had to suck it up. I still to this day believe that the game sold far in excess of what they told us.

They still owe us over £5,000 (which was a hell of a lot of money back then), held back they said 'just in case there were returns'. We tried to take them to court to get the money, but of course, they had more cash for lawyers than us, so after a costly battle we just had to let it go. My wish for many years was that upon my death my ashes would be scattered over the head of Gary Bracey, the then boss of development at Ocean :-)"
A bunch of greedy industrialists if you ask me :)

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Pang (the great pang) was also coded in france, by Adane and Boiramé. I've met them last summer in Paris in a videogame company ;)
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Nopeee Tobeee ^^

Pang was done by P.adane and Thierry Levastre.
alain Boisramé has nothing to do with the game (or did he do the atari ST
convertion ? )

Yes Ocean France (french affiliate) had really done great job.

They showed how arcade conversion should have been on our machines.

Toki has been my best surprise from Ocean, a french conversion and very well done :lol:

And about Dawn drake the graphist girl (batman the movie hehe)
is just a georgeous woman with the most beautiful T*TS of the game industry ^^.
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dlfrsilver wrote: And about Dawn drake the graphist girl (batman the movie hehe)
is just a georgeous woman with the most beautiful T*TS of the game industry ^^.
Gonna have to take your word for that - Google Image Search could only give me thumbnails cached from a site thats down :(
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Well i have a pic of her, and believe me, my actual girlfriend have the same :lol:

She is blonde, and very good looking.
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Think there was a pic of her @ The Ocean Experience site ..



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muguk wrote:Think there was a pic of her @ The Ocean Experience site ..



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Yeah, thats the one I tried.
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dlfrsilver wrote:alain Boisramé has nothing to do with the game (or did he do the atari ST
convertion ? )
Off the top of my head: The only thing I remember Alain Boisramé did on ST was the conversion of Jim Power (crap Turrican wannabe, nice code anyway :))

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Afaik, Adane was working on the amiga version and Boisramé on the atari version.
step 1: introduce bug, step 2: fix bug, step 3: goto step 1.
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tobe wrote:Afaik, Adane was working on the amiga version and Boisramé on the atari version.
Booting the game confimed this - the version I had played had the credits stripped, so I couldn't remember this ;)
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A bunch of greedy industrialists if you ask me
George, if you care to read any old issue of Maggie, usually the classic Lost Boys issues before we got hold of it, there are quite a lot of kickings aimed at Ocean and that other sausage factory of sub-standard games, US Gold!

Ocean DID do some good games, usually by buying in outside talent, like the Frenchies, and of course, the people that did F29 Retaliator, Epic, and RoboCop 3. Otherwise they were notorious for the bulk of their output being those generic samey platform arcade things, with whatever movie licence was currently being flogged printed on the outside of the box.

I do remember Gary Bracey from a pre-Ocean existence, as he owned a computer shop called Blue Chip Computers in Liverpool. He sold a computer to me (not an ST, that was too early! But I saw my first 'live' ST on those same premises a bit later on.)
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dlfrsilver wrote: Pang was done by P.adane and Thierry Levastre.
Cheers DF, I've added Thierry and Ocean France to the Pang entry on Atari Legend, but before I make a mistake and add "P.Adane" as an indivdual, do you know what his first name is?

Also do you know if Ocean (France) were behind Toki and any other titles so I can amend their entries too?
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NiceGuyUK wrote:
muguk wrote:Think there was a pic of her @ The Ocean Experience site ..

.... sudden rush of bandwidth and all coming from this site :)
Yeah, thats the one I tried.
Is she Dawn Drake?
Now this page is loading. check it out!
http://theoceanexperience.co.uk/pics.htm
where she is blonde

http://theoceanexperience.co.uk/pics4.htm
where she's not!
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Dawn Drake... 8O

When I first saw a pic of her in (I think it was) an old Your Sinclair I was droolling :P :oops:
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I'm surprised *anyone* got any work done at that place (and some of the games do show this!) - free arcade machines, laid back attitude and *slurp* Dawn Drake :)


NiceGuy: Cheers mucker .. will add it to the AL database.
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Well I certainly would ;)
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Post by Mug UK »

So am I right in thinking Ocean France were responsible for:

Toki
Ivanhoe
Pang
Cabal
Plotting

No others?

I've split the AL database into Ocean (France) and Ocean (UK) so I can differentiate on the developer tag when it's in-house (i.e. not Special FX or Red Rat)
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