AtariZoll wrote:Dlfrsilver: so, you got Amiga in 1992 , Amiga 600 with 2 MB precisely. Indeed, it was really much better than some Atari ST
You really think that is ? i would not say that. The RAM was only for me a way to get more comfort, but it didn't brought out more power or whatever.
I can say that in that year falling of both companies was started. Amiga for CAD ? You must be joking. No, in 1992 it was PC and almost nothing else, if not counting very expensive workstations.
Sorry to tell you this, but the amiga was still the best machine in 1992. The PC only overcome it in 1993.
Next, i have found that Pagestream 5 is still sold for Amiga 680X0 to this day for 150 dollars, and it's a professional software.
It's the best Desktop Publishing product for Windows, Macintosh and Amiga computers machine.
There are many others.
List of CAD professional programs for Amiga :
"At its beginning Amiga was considered to offer the most powerful graphic platform at a reasonable price."
It had various CAD programs available for it, such as :
X-CAD, IntelliCAD, DynaCaDD, MaxonCAD, IntroCAD, and even programs to design and test electronic circuits, such as ElektroCAD.
So ?
So, we can now see things better: you talk all time about Amiga as it started with 2MB Amiga 600. Then we should forget ST, and refer only on STE
whatever. The Amiga 600 is above the STE no matter what. Not only the workbench v2.0(5) is better than any GEM desktop, but it's better than the ol d A500 which was already stronger than it......
Considering power supplies: early C64 was with really poor designed power supply, and not only that. Chips were low quality. Overheat and primitive power regulator was main problem.
I agree. I have the breadbin version of the C64, and my computer has the VIC II problem, with vertical bars. For that matter, i bought lately a lumafix64 to correct the problem, as well as heat sink specially made for the c64 chips.
Really not comparable with Atari ST switching power supply. And you talk again about things you don't know. No, capacitors cause not voltage raise in most cases, contrary - there will be lower output voltage. Since Atari ST PSU has voltage limiter done complete different than analogue 7805 in C64, voltage raise case is extremely unlikely and rare. I serviced lot of machines, and know exactly what talk. C64 was worst computer ever made considering quality of HW.
The STF and STE PSU badly aged. When i compare to the PSU of my A500 not minding the one for my A1200 (or A600 !), those went ALL leaking, spitting their crap over the PSU PCB.
The Amiga PSU got superior quality components, and where better factored. As a result, when i recapped my main Amiga PSU yesterday, none of the capacitors had leaked.
As Exxos said, the Capacitors in the ST PSU have to be replaced, because they're causing faults on the disk drive, and maybe others faults, and some of them are really crap, with only one being better than the other one.
Early Amiga 500s were better, but there was still that bad impression, reminding on C64.
The Amiga 500 can't be compared at all with the c64. The c64 (breadbin) seems to be made by amateurs when you look at the motherboard, the Amiga 500 has a very clean and well designed motherboard.
The hardware quality of the A500 is also one of the reason of its higher price. The ST was cheap because they used low quality components from the Start.
You can't have both quality parts AND the low price. At this time, the components were way more expensive than they were today, so costs had to be cutted off on the ST/E range.
[/quote]Atari ST was made much better, with better chips in first place.[/quote]
I don't agree on this matter. I find the STF and the STE very fragile either the case, the internal shielding,....
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