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What's retrogaming for you?

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For me it's

All the amazing computer magz, without them gaming and computing would never be half as fun. I always enjoyed a new issue of CD32 Gamer, ST Format, ST User, Nintendomagazinet, Your Sinclair, Sinclair User, Your Computer, Amiga Format, Games Machine, Gamepro, Die Hard Gamefan, ST World, STart (and all the other awesome magz) more then anything else. In that time magazines was vital for dealing with computers and game consoles, today we have internet.

I loved all the great box art and most games for Atari VCS 2600 (for exemple) always had awesome illustrations to make the game look exciting on the game package. Most box art for the Vic 20 games was real good too.

Technical limitations. WOW, is this a game on Atari ST? Awesome graphics. Wow, how can this be done on a ZX Spectrum? It should be Impossible.

Then i loved the computer/console wars. C64 vs Spectrum, Atari ST vs Amiga, Genesis vs SNES.

And thousand more things that made retrogaming so enjoyable.

Today we have almost nothing left of these great things. That's why i stick to retrogaming. But you must have been there to see it all happend and that's why the old games and computers isn't so hot for the youngsters of today.

What's left today is profit hungry giants like EA who just release follow up's.

Now i'm awating NHL 2014 or FIFA 2021...NOT
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I spent a great deal of time playing Elite on my Speccy. I played other games but Elite was the big time waster.

The ST was mostly used for programming, GFA BASIC and C. So I guess my story is a good deal more boring than yours..

If you hanker after the good old days, when software was the wild frontier and you had all sorts of quirky stuff getting published, check out tablets like the iPad or any Android tablet. There is some seriously odd stuff in the app stores (examples like Plants vs Zombies and The Room spring to mind). Just because they are very successful doesn't mean they don't carry the spirit of the independent games developers of the 80s and 90s into the present day.
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JonB wrote:I spent a great deal of time playing Elite on my Speccy. I played other games but Elite was the big time waster.

The ST was mostly used for programming, GFA BASIC and C. So I guess my story is a good deal more boring than yours..

If you hanker after the good old days, when software was the wild frontier and you had all sorts of quirky stuff getting published, check out tablets like the iPad or any Android tablet. There is some seriously odd stuff in the app stores (examples like Plants vs Zombies and The Room spring to mind). Just because they are very successful doesn't mean they don't carry the spirit of the independent games developers of the 80s and 90s into the present day.
Well, you can find plenty of orginal and good freeware games too. But it's not only about orginal, fun and odd games.

The real beauty about retrogaming is very much about limitations. To know what "can't be done" on a certain computer or console or what you can achieve using just 16 colours and 3 sound channels, etc etc. To just play a game is not half as interesting to see skilled programmers stretch the limitations of the specific hardware.

I can watch a new game on PS3 or Xbox 360 and just say, isn't it supposed to look like this? No big deal. No matter how good it looks.

Then i can watch a game on NES or the ST and just say WOW, it isn't possible, what a game. And be incredible impressed.

It's kind of same thing with movies. To rent a VHS movie in the early 80's was almost magic. To rent a movie using your digital TV isn't the same no matter how good the movie is. ;)

I think it's the time i miss most of all. The exiting new thing, videogames.

But i understand your point. :)
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But if you already know the hardware limitations, where is the joy of discovery? Is it not the case that the ST's capabilities have already been exploited?

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment. Like the ST in its heyday, modern devices that are new to market also have undiscovered capabilities (although in the case of Apple I suspect they wouldn't allow anything on the AppStore that didn't use the official APIs).

One thing that is a bid sad - and bad for your wallet - is that the present day devices get obsoleted so quickly. I think this means you are not likely to see the sort of capability stretching software that you did in the past.

Ah, Xenon.... "SECTOR...... ONE....." Now there's nostalgia for you!
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Even in eighties of last Century HW went obsolete pretty fast. If you bought some C64, Spectrum in 1984, wanted 2 years later to go on 16-bit. Then, after ST or Amiga wanted 32-bit folowers (A1200, Falcon) and so on ...
I don't see that today it goes obsolete faster. Of course, if someone wants to have always fastest and strongest available, then may need to change more freq. But it is not typical user.
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JonB wrote:But if you already know the hardware limitations, where is the joy of discovery? Is it not the case that the ST's capabilities have already been exploited?

Just playing devil's advocate for a moment. Like the ST in its heyday, modern devices that are new to market also have undiscovered capabilities (although in the case of Apple I suspect they wouldn't allow anything on the AppStore that didn't use the official APIs).

One thing that is a bid sad - and bad for your wallet - is that the present day devices get obsoleted so quickly. I think this means you are not likely to see the sort of capability stretching software that you did in the past.

Ah, Xenon.... "SECTOR...... ONE....." Now there's nostalgia for you!
Today it's mostly about to get new hardware. Buy a better graphics card, more memory, faster main processor etc etc. Some people upgrades all the time to have a top spec gaming PC.

In those days the programmers was forced to max out the hardware all the time, because it was no other hardware to work with. Just look at the early games for Sega Genesis for exemple, then take a look at the last released games like Vectorman for exemple. It's hard to imagine that you watching the same console in action.

I'm sure of there's still some power left in the ST to max out. ;)

Gaming yesterday was something very special aimed for the "choosen ones" while most people didn't even know what a computer was. Today even granny surfs the net and that special feeling is lost. A computer today is more like any other thing in the household, like a microwave owen or a kitchen blender where the user often know nothing about computers and the interest for computers is down at 2% as most.

The time where people met in some arcade hall to play Pac Man is lost forever and the only thing left is poker or lotto machines.

And THAT'S why i enjoy retrogaming and computer history soooo much. ;) :)
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Retro gaming to me is well reliving the classic games I played in my younger years as I have been collecting every system that I had when growing up over the past 3 years so I have a Colecovision now with the Atari expantion too and I also have a 64C also I just got a Sega Master system I had a A500 and a A1200 too for a while well since new but I sold them both and bought a 1040STe :D I never owned one before till a year ago but that 520STFM died :( but now I am looking for a Sega Saturn again yep I bought one new back in the day too and now I want another one.

Retrogaming for me is reliving the good old days :mrgreen:
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AtariZoll wrote:Even in eighties of last Century HW went obsolete pretty fast. If you bought some C64, Spectrum in 1984, wanted 2 years later to go on 16-bit. Then, after ST or Amiga wanted 32-bit folowers (A1200, Falcon) and so on ...
I don't see that today it goes obsolete faster. Of course, if someone wants to have always fastest and strongest available, then may need to change more freq. But it is not typical user.
Depends on when you began because some of us like myself began in the late 1970s with 8-bit micro computers, and did not get 16-bit until the late 1980s or after.
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When my first computers would have been like an Apple iPad today I would have never been able to learn programming.
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Retrogamer_ST wrote:
Gaming yesterday was something very special aimed for the "choosen ones" while most people didn't even know what a computer was. Today even granny surfs the net and that special feeling is lost. A computer today is more like any other thing in the household, like a microwave owen or a kitchen blender where the user often know nothing about computers and the interest for computers is down at 2% as most.

The time where people met in some arcade hall to play Pac Man is lost forever and the only thing left is poker or lotto machines.

And THAT'S why i enjoy retrogaming and computer history soooo much. ;) :)
I can really relate to all you have said in my edited portion of your quote. Also the same applies to football when the game was commercialised and made family friendly, and suddenly it all became about silly haircuts and celebrity football couples and WAGs. Now it is all hype and nonsense and also full of girls and women, and while I have nothing against either I still feel like the game has been altered for the worse as a result, plus what is wrong with having something exclusively for men or women for that matter?
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I've honestly never been that great at most video games, but I've always been drawn to them. For me many older games have a certain "labour of love" quality to them. Generally they were developed by a single person or small team so when you see some artwork, hear some music, or find a secret you know exactly who to attribute it to. You can appreciate it on a more personal level I suppose. My game-purchasing decisions have long been made based on the specific artists, musicians, or coders involved. Conversely many modern games lack this sort of intimacy.

You might think I'd be a big fan of all the indie retro-style games out now but sadly they lack soul as a result of not having any limitations to overcome.

Thankfully there is already an almost inexhaustible amount of old games already released.
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for me simply combines retro gaming precious memories, respect to the coder what they do with limited hardware everything.
then the feeling when I bought my first 800XL from a friend.
because it was so the people thought the computer? and it was something special but today one is a geek whom you do not have.
and know very few people appreciate what you can do with so little limited hardware capabilities.
who I just think we all night long (Kaiser, Gauntlet) and many more pizzas Beer Party played together and everything together.
today we have millions of friends and plays on internet but whom they open the eyes they realize that they are sitting in reality alone in a small dark room with light monitor and I'm so persuaded millions of friends.
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What's retro for you?

For me

It isn't to either use old hardware or to soldering chips in an old computer. Not even to look for old hardware in some second hand store. Neither is it to use old appz for modern work.

This is retrogaming for me.
http://kiwi6.com/file/q403ghxg69

The feeling of the 80's

Mixed with some collecting, new releases of demos and remakes of old games. At last i got all the games, magazines and appz i never got hold of in the 80's. ;)
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What's retro gaming for me? Well, it's 3 O'clock in the morning, because I'm lost
somewhere in some Gods forsaken corner of a dungeon, surrounded by haunting
grey colored walls, because I refuse to give up trying to beat Lord Chaos with a
single character in my party...

Its that hollow feeling I get in my stomach when for the umpteenth time, all my
spells and light have been extinguished because I blundered into a non-magic
zone and my Bard is drunk again...

Its the rage and agony of losing a beloved NPC friend, watching his head being
separated from his body because I refused to give the password to the rebellion
to Lord Blackthorne... Curse him!

Pac-Man Fever is not bad btw. Thanks for the link. Here is another old song that
always makes me think of gaming in the early years...
Unknown - Space Invaders.mp3.zip
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Thanks for the song Darklord.

Disney's movie TRON was also a part of the gaming revolution in the early 80's. Perhaps most games were quite simple in the early 80's, yet they had that "one more go" feeling unlike many of todays games.

I'm in for another go on Galaxian, Joust, Millipede or Pac-Man. ;)

Edit

Quite good song Darklord. Sitting here and singing along.

Spaaace invaadeers ;) :D
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