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poo, this is not news to read about my favorite Atari Forum, what bothers me, is this is a case pure monopoly and control of site been held to ransom based on an IP title in which they believe grant them the power to close down anything that they've not produced or acquired etc..there has to be some sort of right to allow us to use this domain name, it's been in use for years and years and I'm quite sure Atari executives have already been aware of it also some time etc. and now under new management they are locking and cutting the heads off the very people who are trying to keep their name alive. shame on Atari for doing this, if they checked rather than sending a human bot to investigate, they would see how much this website contributes to the Atari brand. I knew they were money hungry but not like this, sad times for all concerned :(
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Cheers guys.

I have registered the domain www.ourtari-forum.com

I'll point this at our site so we have some means of access if the domain gets pulled.
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Dal wrote:Cheers guys.

I have registered the domain http://www.ourtari-forum.com

I'll point this at our site so we have some means of access if the domain gets pulled.
I hope it does not come to that, I think your letter to them was spot on! Fingers crossed!
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Dal wrote:Cheers guys.

I have registered the domain http://www.ourtari-forum.com

I'll point this at our site so we have some means of access if the domain gets pulled.
Nice name :)

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Cyprian wrote:what do you think about domain atarist-forum.com ?
Wouldn't that be the same problem with "atari" in the name ? :?
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Cyprian wrote:what do you think about domain atarist-forum.com ?
The C&D is based on the use of Atari in the name. Add to that, the use of a specific model in the name isn't holistic enough IMHO.

Besides, if we need to stop using the current DNS, it will be because the registrar has pulled it, it could be re-instated assuming Atari give us a green light.

I hope once this is reviewed by Atari, we should be OK. We are not commercially benefiting from their name and not infringing on their current IP (Atari as it stands today is derived from the classic games - hardware went elsewhere). Let's not forget we are a hardware based technical forum, not a business. We have only served to support the Atari brand as consumers of their products. The fact we still have a strong community of people still using their classic machines is a testament to the strength of their products.
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Dal wrote:
Cyprian wrote:what do you think about domain atarist-forum.com ?
The C&D is based on the use of Atari in the name. Add to that, the use of a specific model in the name isn't holistic enough IMHO.

Besides, if we need to stop using the current DNS, it will be because the registrar has pulled it, it could be re-instated assuming Atari give us a green light.

I hope once this is reviewed by Atari, we should be OK. We are not commercially benefiting from their name and not infringing on their current IP (Atari as it stands today is derived from the classic games - hardware went elsewhere). Let's not forget we are a hardware based technical forum, not a business. We have only served to support the Atari brand as consumers of their products. The fact we still have a strong community of people still using their classic machines is a testament to the strength of their products.
Hi Dal, why not Atari-computers-forum ? There is great chances that the generical name of 'Atari-forum' is what has actually gained their attention.

Precising 'Atari-computers' would clearly show that it's not about their actual business. Just my 2 cts :)
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It's more likely to be an automated search/C&D email, like the other case.
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wongck wrote:ST-Computers-forum.com
ST-family-forum.com
stu-forum.com as in ST users
Good Idea too :)
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IFW wrote:It's more likely to be an automated search/C&D email, like the other case.
I happen to agree with this and hope that from the forum's point of view that this is so.

Sorry for the long absence. Been quite busy forging on with my career so I am very sad to read this. Something that has happened to be personally I can perhaps relate to this current situation. My facebook groups encountered a similar thing a while back because they happen to share the name of the institution of the students they were setup for. We had to be careful but it was typically down to a department being overly heavy handed and not having ANY understanding what-so-ever of why they were setup. They were also much older than the institution's own facebook groups and so they were just p****d that we had thought of them first. Seeing as they were not of a commercial nature and they were by the students for the students, eventually the institution gave up.

However, obviously this situation is quite different because where we could get away with the name was also a name of a city and couldn't be registered as a trademark, Atari is of course a trademark name to that company. However, until you guys have heard from the company themselves and/or their legal team on the issue then I wonder just how much we need to worry. On one hand ATARI SA. have experienced financial issues and maybe are attempting to tie up loose ends and make sure they aren't loosing money hand over fist. On other other hand, (hopefully) if this is indeed an automated message and if what occurred in that atariage post is any indication (definitely worth citing that in a response to ATARI SA. as a president) then hopefully the Atari-Forum will be left alone. I guess it all depends how much trouble Atari SA. are in and how desperate they are which will in turn determine their reasonableness.

As for the response from Alpha Hosting,....they are just covering their backsides. It is certainly no indication on which way this pitifully petty situation will go.

I will be keeping my fingers crossed though. :-)

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deepblue69uk wrote:
However, obviously this situation is quite different because where we could get away with the name was also a name of a city and couldn't be registered as a trademark
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Atari ... 2cf71184dc :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Dal wrote:
Cyprian wrote:what do you think about domain atarist-forum.com ?
The C&D is based on the use of Atari in the name. Add to that, the use of a specific model in the name isn't holistic enough IMHO.

Besides, if we need to stop using the current DNS, it will be because the registrar has pulled it, it could be re-instated assuming Atari give us a green light.

I hope once this is reviewed by Atari, we should be OK. We are not commercially benefiting from their name and not infringing on their current IP (Atari as it stands today is derived from the classic games - hardware went elsewhere). Let's not forget we are a hardware based technical forum, not a business. We have only served to support the Atari brand as consumers of their products. The fact we still have a strong community of people still using their classic machines is a testament to the strength of their products.
Agree, any new name with 'Atari' in it has the potential to cause the same problem further down the line.

I think things will work out okay, it just might take a bit of time and few more grey hairs for those on the front line.

Here's what ourtari-forum would look like, not a huge change
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Brume wrote: And here is the reply I got:
Hello Bruno,

Unfortunately any trademark infringement notice received from the legal team of a trademark
holder must be acted upon.

It may be best to allow the suspension in order to ensure that you are not subject to any legal
repercussion from Atari regarding this matter until you have reached a resolution.

I will place this support request on hold pending further updates.

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Since the history of this site shows it to not be an abusive registration I fail to understand why your hosting provider don't follow regular dispute resolution policy.

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Well, dunno if it gives anything good - but has been just sent:
It came to my attention, that us.legal@atari.com consequently destroys Atari's good PR.

There are literally _millions_ of die-hard fans of the company and the
trade-mark. They were keeping it alive among people for over 30 years now,
when YOU had no idea what ATARI actually was.
They still buy the new Atari games, the hardware - just to SEE the
"Atari" trademark on the box.
This community might be your POWER and potential.

Whilst - what is us.legal@atari.com doing??? It's KILLING this power, and
you will lose those loads of people due to stupidity and greed.

Portal atari - forum . com , atari age . com / forums and other - should be a
source of your STRENGTH. They work EVERY DAY for the Atari trademark to be
wide-known in the world. They advertise FOR FREE your products, like the
Flashback device, and others.

And what do YOU do in return? You KILL their WWW sites - places when they
are gathering to CELEBRATE Atari trademark.
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Hope that you find a very good solution very soon.
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catmando wrote:
Dal wrote:
Cyprian wrote:what do you think about domain atarist-forum.com ?
Here's what ourtari-forum would look like, not a huge change
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FedePede04 wrote:
deepblue69uk wrote:
However, obviously this situation is quite different because where we could get away with the name was also a name of a city and couldn't be registered as a trademark
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Atari ... 2cf71184dc :lol: :lol: :lol:

Thanks for pointing that out. Though what I am wondering, if this comes under US copyright law, would that apply?

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Greyfox™ wrote:you never removed the Atari text to the right of the logo :lol: :lol: meooww
I know, it was just a quick effort :)
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FedePede04 wrote:
deepblue69uk wrote:
However, obviously this situation is quite different because where we could get away with the name was also a name of a city and couldn't be registered as a trademark
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Atari ... 2cf71184dc :lol: :lol: :lol:
"Atari" is plural noun for land in Serbian language.
so maybe they will come after some local agricultural web site also :D
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calimero wrote:
FedePede04 wrote:
deepblue69uk wrote:
However, obviously this situation is quite different because where we could get away with the name was also a name of a city and couldn't be registered as a trademark
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Atari ... 2cf71184dc :lol: :lol: :lol:
"Atari" is plural noun for land in Serbian language.
so maybe they will come after some local agricultural web site also :D

*sigh*. Does anyone remember when the mobile phone company Orange attempted to copyright the colour orange?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3555398.stm

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Instead of using the word Atari, what about a image of the badge on a actual ST ? Surely they can't object to images of computers ... ?
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exxos wrote:Instead of using the word Atari, what about a image of the badge on a actual ST ? Surely they can't object to images of computers ... ?
but they require to remove "atari" from domain name.
what about folder in url? http://www.domain.com/atari/forum ? :)
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we, as society, need to build neutral system for DNS.
two years ago, when FBI used to seizes dozens domains, people start to talk about P2P DNS system.
today we can see that BitCoin operate for more than 4 years without problem
so on same principles (proof-of-work) is certainly possible to build a new, truly neutral, DNS system (instead of this non-democracy DARPA relic).

think about it ;)
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