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Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:56 pm
by daeghnao
Some photos...

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 2:57 pm
by daeghnao
Also, we only have the one ST here, and it's looking like the drive is a bit tired. It's managed to MSA a few disks, but the failure rate is going up and up...

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:23 pm
by daeghnao
Story of the day so far, we get a lot of these. Silly old disks. Also, CiH's Falcon makes a high-pitched whine while it accesses disks. Clearly, it's not too keen on the quality.

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:58 pm
by daeghnao
Yay, more disks are getting through OK. We're on to PASTI for the moment to get some game disks done, hopefully the images will turn out usable!

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:08 pm
by Brume
Sounds very interesting :)
Do you plan to release a CD ? Put the image-disks somewhere ?
It's a shame I couldn't come...

Please daeghnao, continue the report as much as you can ;)
Take care,


Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:26 pm
by daeghnao
Images may end up on some FTP servers at some point, I expect. We need to work out a strategy for extracting data from various hard drives, shouldn't be too difficult. The big shame is that we've only got the one ST, an ideal setup here would be one or two PCs running my imager script, then a good three or four Atari computers - we've only got the one Falcon and the ST running, which means only one computer for PASTI.

Mug has this theory that I have some corrupting influence, a "Zoƫ virus", that's stopping the imaging process from working...

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:23 pm
by unseenmenace
How late you guys expecting to be there, I got stuck having to work :(

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 6:22 pm
by daeghnao
We're back at my place now for the evening, will start again at 10ish tomorrow morning. Still time to come and see us if you get here by 11, I guess...

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:39 pm
by Mug UK
Relaxing at chez Daeghnao's. She's currently trying to fix two of her mice - one only goes right and the other doesn't have a working button! Having to use Alt & arrow keys and Insert wasn't fun. Especially when I kept pressing Help by mistake and hanging the machine for a minute every time. Photos were taken on my Nokia and bluetooth'd across to her laptop. Modern methods & retro preservation!

Posted: Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:02 pm
by caffeinekid
Shame that I'm tied to this house by wife and kids and not allowed out to play or I would have loved to come. I just got a hard drive for my STE too!

Can't wait to see what you guys have managed to find on these disks. :)

I hope (wishful thinking) there are some more Neon Lights menus. :D

Keep up the good work guys and gals.

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:23 am
by daeghnao
So here we are, bright and early, freshly snowed and sleeted upon and setting up for the second day of APP2007. Plan today is to work through some more protected bits and make sure everything's catalogued properly. Meanwhile, here's a photo to prove that Mug U.K really is here :)

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:32 am
by Pugsy
He's metamorphed into a youngish Bill Oddie since I saw him last :o

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:33 am
by PaulB
Very appropriate picture. Looks like a police mug-shot.

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:14 am
by simonsunnyboy
Hehe, a "MUG" shot in any case ;)

Hope you have lots of fun outta there.

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 11:21 am
by daeghnao
Heh, unfortunate consequence of waiting until Sunday morning to have your photo taken, that.

Meanwhile, here's a couple of shots of what we managed to get through and make images of on Saturday. There's another pile of the ones we couldn't manage, going to try and grind away on those for a few hours today.

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:53 pm
by daeghnao
Well folks, it's the end, we're packing up now. Pretty good haul, we'll need to look over the results from Mug's hard drive to get the full picture though. Stay tuned, and many thanks to everyone who's supported this event.

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:56 pm
by Mug UK
Finally got back home about 30 minutes ago.

The photos of disks above are all the ones that are either:

a) done with the Lunix script by Daeghnao (spelt it right for a change!)

b) done with MSA and on my h/drive

c) done on CiH's Falcon (with the singing disk drive) and will need to be transferred from there to somewhere (somehow!)

d) done with FcopyPro and also on my h/drive.

The ones done on the Lunix machine are safely backed up onto CD-R as well as Daeghnao's machine and also on my pen drive. They will be the first to be uploaded (probably to Marcer's FTP).

The ones on my h/drive need to be extracted next by way of connecting the SCSI drive to my PC, using Ppera's drive tools to extract them from an image of the drive. I can then reformat the drive as one of the partitions was more than a bit iffy and had more than a few corrupted folders. Luckily it wasn't the partition with the PASTI tools.

As for the games in the picture above (I'm *not* Bill Oddie's stunt double!), almost all of them were done with PASTI. There was a lot more to do but time was against us and only having the one ST to image up on was a pain in the butt.

As for next time .. SatanDisk, SatanDisk and SatanDisk and a *lot* more Atari machines! If we've all got NetUSB by then, it'll also be just as quick to bung the image files across a network too!

Roll on the next one - wherever it is!

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 7:46 pm
by RetroGamerUK
Public apology to Zoe, CiH, Felice, Muguk and the rest of the preservation team:
Real sorry for laming out on the last minute, especially to Mug who ended up having to get the Train.
No excuses here, can't try to blame it on anything other than my being a big lazy letdown... :|
It is however, a relief to read that it all went well.

Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:37 pm
by Mug UK
My thanks go to Ppera and his amazing Drive Image tool .. I've plugged in the 1 Gig SCSI that was used to backup a load of the disks in MSA, PASTI and FCOPY Pro format and, after making an image of it, I've managed to copy off everything off the drive.

Many, many, many thanks for such a useful damned tool.

Plugged it into a spare USB caddy I have which always has the lid off to get the power to the drive, connected the drive to the SCSI cable which seems to spend 99% of it's life on the floor doing nothing. Ran the tools, made the image and then extracted the filed.

It *even* allowed me to backup all the files that I thought were lost as the drive was corrupted slightly (no idea why) so all the files that used to be on the internal 240Mb that came with the TT and were backed up onto the 1Gig have (99%) also been recovered.

Expect a few file tests of the disk images and an upload shortly to Marcer's FTP site sometime this week :)

Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:40 pm
by Mug UK
I'm uploading all the disk images I could find - I've renamed a load of them but there's more work to be done.

The FCopyPro images would probably do well to be converted into .MSA files once people have checked what they are (and renamed).

Even the PASTI ones that failed are up there so Ijor can take a look at them.