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Hi,
I got a TT from eBay and it includes a NOVA graphic card.
I copied the working STA_VDI and associated files and repartitioned the HDD.
I found a v2.61 driver on this forum, and over wrote my working NOVA driver.
Now the v2.61 drivers do not work.
I put back the old NOVA driver and it is not working (TT video out looks like it gone to VGA, but at NOVA output -- monitor goes to sleep)

I think there is something wrong with the frequency or the likes.
The VMG_TT.PRG does not work (runs but no response on any buttons).

Can someone tell me how to change my BIB files?

BTW, I do not read German, so the Nova drivers/package is all guess work by me.

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Re: TT NOVA drivers - need help

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Hello,

A Nova card without drivers is a problem. I've also a nova card, without proper drivers, and at the moment, I'm still searching for the good drivers.
A nova card is an adaptor card, and the needed driver depends on the main ISA card in the black box, and the amount of ram on that card (especially with mach 32 and mach 64 cards). The drivers are not generic for all the nova cards.

So, first you need to open that box and look what for card is inside. It will narrow you search a lot.

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I used to have a Nova for my TT, but I sold it some time ago. I can tell you however you need the VMG_TT.PRG to manage the BIB files. VMG = Video Mode Generator.

On my Hades I have the Nova driver for the Mach64 PCI but it works without the so called black box (VME adapter) since the Hades has PCI slots. So I don't think my driver will work on a TT with the same card.

The order of the files in the Auto folder is very important. There are 3 files in some setups. Menu, Emulator (not all setups use this), and the main one STA_VDI. I think they need to be in this order: Emulator, Menu, STA_VDI. If you don't have the emualtor.prg don't worry about it. Also the BIB file needs to be placed in the AUTO folder.
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HI,

Yes I know the order of the programs. They are correct order.
I do not know how to use the VMG_TT.PRG -- I cannot read German, and there was no manual coming with the hardware.

The video card is from TSENG, So I think it is a ET4000. There is only 1MB ram ( 8 x 4256 dram).
There are no markings to say what brand/make/version of the graphic card.
NOVA_card.JPG
As I am new to this, and there is no information, do you know the settings to be done on the VMG_TT ?

Thanks.

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Re: TT NOVA drivers - need help

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Hello,

I've a driver that probably will work. See attachment.
With English instructions. :!:

For the version, you need to look to the revision file delivered at the driver. (file with size 0 kB).
That file describes the driver as follows :
First part : Is it a driver for VME or MEGA
Second part (one digit) descibes the amount of colors, (this is info for the type of ISA card in your box)
Last part, is the revision of driver.

All this is also written in a (bad) translated file.
At the other hand, it's a good exercise to study the beautiful German language :wink:

Normally, you don't need to change any jumper at the card.
It's all software. But you need two monitors. The first is to to boot the system, and the second is connected to the Nova card.

Hope you have more luck than me.

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It was all German on my TT as well. You will have to do what I did and that was use the Google translator to determine what most of it means. For the words it just won't seem to translate I suggest asking someone who speaks German natively. This is what I ended up doing. It's important you enter the specs of your monitor correctly into the one section, as the VMG can push a monitor beyond it's specs and damage it. In some cases it can actually cause a snapping sound or high pitched noise if the monitor is unhappy. When you enter the specs into the VMG for your monitor it will attempt to pre-calculate if a custom mode is to much for the monitor to handle and it will refuse to allow it. Newer monitors can also detect out of range signals and simply go blank these days and display 'no signal'. My LCD does this on my Hades. Depends a lot on the monitor really. It's also important to set these specs correctly because if you set them wrong (to low), the VMG won't let you get full use of the monitor.

I still have the TT. I sold the Nova because although it worked reasonably well, it was bulky and as you have discovered not in English. I replaced it with a Crazy Dots II card which works with NVDI, meaning NVDI alone will drive it. A lot less complicated to setup in my opinion. The CD II card also fit nicely in the slot and took up less space and had similar specs.

Of course then I got the Hades and ended up with the Nova driver again. Then I had to re-learn how to use it. lol But it's been a long time since I had to alter any modes and I'm back to having to struggle with it in the event I do. My brain just can't seem to retain everything anymore. :)

A bit more about the Nova driver. You can try all the pre-made BIB files from the installation floppy. Just move the one in the auto folder out so the driver can't find it then put in a different one and rename it as it was. If you find one that does most of the modes you want, then you can avoid the VMG entirely. I never got this lucky myself, but you might depending on your monitor.
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Mark_G wrote: A nova card is an adaptor card, and the needed driver depends on the main ISA card in the black box, and the amount of ram on that card (especially with mach 32 and mach 64 cards). The drivers are not generic for all the nova cards.
I found out that my graphic adapter is most likely to be a ET4000W32. The actual chipset is covered by a heatsink. However, having 2 rows of memory, it can only be the W32 model as that's the only model that supports 2MB. The ET4000 only support 1 MB of ram.

So this does narrow down the search -- I cannot use the VME_8 drivers :(
Mark_G wrote: I've a driver that probably will work. See attachment.
With English instructions. :!:
No it did not work, same response -- a blank screen.
But hey, the english docs helps :)
lp wrote: You will have to do what I did and that was use the Google translator to determine what most of it means. For the words it just won't seem to translate I suggest asking someone who speaks German natively.
Yeap, I did that most of the time now. For words that don't come out correct, may be you need to break that word up. This is because Germans likes to concatenate several words into a single word of same meaning.

Well, it's back to testing Nova drivers for me now .......

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Hello,

These are the only drivers I have for an ET4000.

Maybe some else can help you.
You can ask it (in english) at the german site : http://forum.atari-home.de
A guy named 'jens' has also a lot of drivers, maybe he can help you.

Good luck with your search.

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According to the NVDI site you should be able to use NVDI v5 to drive your Nova card: http://www.nvdi.de/gb/NVDI5.html
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Hoi,

The NVDI drivers takes advantage of the NOVA card, but you still need the original NOVA drivers.
See : http://www.nvdi.de/gb/NOVAProblems.html

First you need to install the card with the proper drivers.
Second, when you install nvdi, it asks for the card type, and 'recompiles' nvdi for the proper driver.

That's also the way it worked for my matrix card.

Correct me if I wrong.

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Close, you install the Nova driver, make sure it all works.
Install NVDI.
Then in the one folder where NVDI places the driverXX.sys files,
disable all these driverXX.sys files by deleting them or renaming them.

Then it works as before, but you get the benefits of all the font support and the new calls that NVDI offers.
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I think I have nova driver v2.67 somewhere.
I will have look if somebody whants to try it
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Hello,

It would be nice when you post your drivers.

However, the version number is not related to the type of drivers.

I've also drivers rev 2.67, but it's for nova mach32, mach64, and falcon.
They have type number "vmeplii2.67"

You'll find them in attachment. If you like, you can try them, but I guess without luck.

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Hi Guys,

Just want to drop a note to say that I have my Nova drivers sorted out.
The Nova card is now working great, with the help of Gerhard Huber, who provided me the drivers.
I have documented the tips of installing the Nova drivers as well as the drivers at my webpage.
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/6880/

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wongck wrote:Hi Guys,

Just want to drop a note to say that I have my Nova drivers sorted out.
The Nova card is now working great, with the help of Gerhard Huber, who provided me the drivers.
I have documented the tips of installing the Nova drivers as well as the drivers at my webpage.
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/6880/

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Have you moved this site?

Would be useful to put an up-to-date link here if you have it as it seems a right pain to get these working.
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jd wrote: Have you moved this site?

Would be useful to put an up-to-date link here if you have it as it seems a right pain to get these working.
Well as you know, Geocities closed down during the financial crisis...
Yes, I have moved my site.
You can follow it via my Signature :mrgreen:
For the specific page, it's at http://phsw.110mb.com/hw-nova-tt.html
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Sorry to resurrect an old thread...

I have acquired a nice ET4000 VME Nova graphics card for my Mega STE. I got the disk with it and those drivers work fine however I've found out that I have a fairly old version of the drivers (2.08) and there are a lot newer ones available. However it seems I need to find the specific ones for my card.

Base of information I've read from some of the drivers I've downloaded here I have a type 6 card and all these posted drivers are type 8. Does anyone happen to have a newer version of the type 6 drivers?

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Hope this helps.

However, no guarantee

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I placed some Nova drivers at https://www.dev-docs.org/docs/ a while back. Hit the search link and enter: Nova
Good luck.
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They totally work! Thanks Mark_G

Now I'm trying to use NVDI 5.03 with this and I noticed that my AES_LANGUAGE is set to German. Does this affect applications choosing what language they should display?

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Mark_G wrote:Hope this helps.

However, no guarantee

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Now, that's a good opportunity to learn the German language. :mrgreen:

Then, a whole new world will come to you at :

http://www.stcarchiv.de/

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Hmm that's a pretty big next step. :)

However it's true that it would open up a whole lot of the ST world to me that's for sure! :D
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Nova Driver Nova-VDI 2.67 for the ATI MACH Cards ...
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Probehouse software website moved again.
The Nova page is now here.
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Beta Driver for ...

ET4000
ET4000W32
ATI MACH32
ATI MACH64
(ET4000 Crazy Dots Nova Driver)

-> http://www.silicon-heaven.com/atari/nova/TT/
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