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GOEX for ST in the making

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For those of you, who are sane enough ;) not to be on Facebook:

"Busy designing GOEX mount for Atari ST series. Big box Amiga version to follow shortly.
Those who do not know GOEX yet, checkout its Amiga version product page:
https://centuriontech.eu/product/goex_sd/
Basically, GOEX is full featured floppy drive emulator with many extras. Unlike Gotek, GOEX is designed to be sleek, hassle free drop-in replacement, centered around SD card and very conveniently located and very easy to use jog-dial controller."

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Awesome, can't wait! I guess having a Falcon "case" shouldn't be much of a problem?
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Possibly? ;)
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Brilliant!
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If this fits better than a real Gotek, I will definitly consider buying these instead.
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Does that video integration thingy work also in ST HIGH?
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simonsunnyboy wrote:If this fits better than a real Gotek, I will definitly consider buying these instead.
Well check it out then ;) https://centuriontech.eu/product/goex4st/
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Will you also offer the OLED module in ST grey? It seems to be required for this one.
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Yes I will.
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Looks great. Thanks.

However there is one thing that bothers me with all these FlashFloppy derivatives. Quote from the store selling the Goex:
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GOEX drive comes preinstalled with latest version of great FlashFloppy firmware by Keir Fraser. Please consider a donation to the developer.
FlashFloppy, and hence all derivatives as well, leverages Jeff's HxC work and software. There is nothing wrong in producing something free, cheaper and open source, but credit should be given where credit is due:

https://hxc2001.com/

From somebody that is not affiliated in anyway with Jeff or HxC. Just a happy customer, and a happy user of FlashFloppy as well.
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ijor wrote: FlashFloppy, and hence all derivatives as well, leverages Jeff's HxC work and software. ...
Are you sure? From what I know HxC is closed source, commercial product. Was it open source at some point in the past?
BTW I have bought and I still own one licence of HxC in the past. My Gotek I had it on broke (well I burned it in tests), so I kindly asked J. if he would allow licence transfer to other MCU - twice. All I got in return was silence. So eventually I switched to FF and never looked back.
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mpattonm wrote:
ijor wrote: FlashFloppy, and hence all derivatives as well, leverages Jeff's HxC work and software. ...
Are you sure? From what I know HxC is closed source, commercial product. Was it open source at some point in the past.
The HxC firmware is closed source, but the software is open source. Also Jeff developed the HFE file image format that FlashFloppy uses. Besides, the whole concept was pioneered by Jeff.
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I tend to agree, Flashfloppy is "just" a reimplementation of Jeff's work. I too have mixed feelings about Flashfloppy. Yes, free and open software is a good thing. But not necessary all the time. What happens when the free alternative just copies and doesn't innovate?
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Yeah, agree with the sentiments here. Happy HxC Slim user but wouldn't mind a GOEX at all
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I think Hxc will be a non-issue.

If the hardware is as similar to the Gotek, HxC will probably run without any changes and Jeff will do it.

I prefer to have choices on the software market.

Side note: many FF users don't even use HFE format but simply use .ST or .ADF.
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simonsunnyboy wrote:I think Hxc will be a non-issue.
If the hardware is as similar to the Gotek, HxC will probably run without any changes and Jeff will do it.
I prefer to have choices on the software market.
Sorry Simon, but I think you are missing the point.

Yes, I think we all agree that is good to have more choices, especially free and open source products. But that is not the point. The point is about giving credit where credit is due. IMHO, especially when open source, that is supposed to be something morally correct, it is even more important that if you copy something, you should credit. Copy is not only copying code, but also a concept or an idea, or leverage third party software. Of course that is not illegal to copy an idea, well, at least as long as it's not patented. And it doesn't even have to be incorrect to copy. But it is incorrect, morally, IMHO, to not credit.
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Please dabble with Keir Fraser on that one, and not with me.
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Re: GOEX for ST in the making

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I was going to reply once again, but I think we made our point enough. After all, a high quality yet affordable, Gotek compatible, including speaker and OLED, I'm definitely a buyer.
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Re: GOEX for ST in the making

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mpattonm wrote:
simonsunnyboy wrote:If this fits better than a real Gotek, I will definitly consider buying these instead.
Well check it out then ;) https://centuriontech.eu/product/goex4st/
Will this fit in a Falcon ok?
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mpattonm wrote:
ijor wrote: FlashFloppy, and hence all derivatives as well, leverages Jeff's HxC work and software. ...
Are you sure? From what I know HxC is closed source, commercial product. Was it open source at some point in the past?
Most HxC Floppy Emulator parts are open source :
https://sourceforge.net/p/hxcfloppyemu/code/HEAD/tree/
https://github.com/jfdelnero/HXCFE_file_selector

The HxC firmwares prices are just to fund the whole HxC project (open source parts included).

FlashFloppy is definitively using HxC parts for different points. (The most visible point is the File selector, but this is far to be the only one).
mpattonm wrote: BTW I have bought and I still own one licence of HxC in the past. My Gotek I had it on broke (well I burned it in tests), so I kindly asked J. if he would allow licence transfer to other MCU - twice. All I got in return was silence. So eventually I switched to FF and never looked back.
I generally answer to these requests. There are 3 possibilities to your problem : I didn't received your email or my email was lost between me and you or the request was definitively too suspect to be honest.
Anyway you don't have to ask this anymore : You can reflash an HxC Gotek how many time you want now since the server recognize the gotek.
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ijor wrote:Looks great. Thanks.

However there is one thing that bothers me with all these FlashFloppy derivatives. Quote from the store selling the Goex:
Credits:
GOEX drive comes preinstalled with latest version of great FlashFloppy firmware by Keir Fraser. Please consider a donation to the developer.
FlashFloppy, and hence all derivatives as well, leverages Jeff's HxC work and software. There is nothing wrong in producing something free, cheaper and open source, but credit should be given where credit is due:

https://hxc2001.com/

From somebody that is not affiliated in anyway with Jeff or HxC. Just a happy customer, and a happy user of FlashFloppy as well.
Personally i don't understand the exact purpose of this credit from this seller, but for another reason : Finally why "centuriontech" doesn't give the donation to the developer directly ? Isn't "centuriontech" making money with the work from this developer ? (even if this work is at least inspired from another guy :lol: ). Sound to be a little hypocritical to me. Or maybe this is yet another marketing stuff. :shrug:
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stormy wrote:
mpattonm wrote:
simonsunnyboy wrote:If this fits better than a real Gotek, I will definitly consider buying these instead.
Well check it out then ;) https://centuriontech.eu/product/goex4st/
Will this fit in a Falcon ok?
I will make a mount with 3,5" generic front bezel soon. This will fit Falcon perfectly.
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Re: GOEX for ST in the making

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Actually FlashFloppy itself doesn't use HxC format for the floppies if run in native mode. There *IS* a compatibility binary you can put onto the drive to allow it to operate in an HxC-like way, however, but it's optional (and I prefer not to use it).

In native mode it uses raw disk images, which suits me as I swap my drive between multiple platforms, most of which are not supported by HxC.
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Re: GOEX for ST in the making

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mpattonm wrote:
stormy wrote:
mpattonm wrote: Well check it out then ;) https://centuriontech.eu/product/goex4st/
Will this fit in a Falcon ok?
I will make a mount with 3,5" generic front bezel soon. This will fit Falcon perfectly.
I'm seriously considering ordering two, one for my falcon and one for TT. I've always been wary of replacing my floppy drives though. I keep thinking that I am missing a piece of the puzzle. Like, if I want to write some files to a floppy on my PC, I use my usb floppy drive and simply it works on the Atari. If I want to do the same with a flash floppy, I don't quite understand the process, do I run an emulator and write a floppy image then put on the usb? Or am I missing the point. Is this mainly for just downloading large archives like TOSEC and putting them on a USB. I keep getting confused as to the utility of these flash floppy devices. I am guessing it is *most* useful for standard STs running games directly from disc, not for application or desktop purposes.. So probably not useful for a falcon or tt? Damn, I get so confused.. please help me understand :)
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Re: GOEX for ST in the making

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Yes, creating and using new floppy images is a right pain. It would be excellent if there were a button combination to generate a new blank image and switch to it, which you could then format in the usual way.
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