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GOTEC or HXC

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hi i currently have a hxc on my ST, any advantages to the Gotek, other than being able to mount internally as a drive replacement?
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Re: GOTEC or HXC

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hyperfan wrote:hi i currently have a hxc on my ST, any advantages to the Gotek, other than being able to mount internally as a drive replacement?
HxC is the more powerful hardware I believe, so could have more potential long term, but both have roughly the same features presently, no not much benefit having one over the other I think.
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Re: GOTEC or HXC

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I think it's the other way around, HxC is less powerful than Gotek hardwarewise. I believe HxC only supports the HFE format for this reason, while a Gotek with HxC firmware can support disk formats like .ST directly as it's capable of doing the data <-> FM translation on the fly. HxC also supports virtual disk images on the Gotek, create a folder on the USB stick and it will be seen as a floppy disk on the Atari.
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Re: GOTEC or HXC

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HxC is FPGA (Altera MAX), Gotek is ARM Cortex M3... There is an HxC firmware for Gotek, and there is an internal mounting version of FPGA-based HxC.
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Re: GOTEC or HXC

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Gotek is more powerful as you have a choice of firmwares (Amiga Cortex, FlashFloppy, HxC) + it is cheaper.
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Re: GOTEC or HXC

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The Gotek is definitely more powerful, although the HxC has at least one feature that the Gotek has not. The HxC supports two drives at the same time with a single unit, the Gotek only one.
tzok wrote:HxC is FPGA (Altera MAX) ...
That's the first HxC generation. It it a very old design. It's not standalone and requires a PC being connected all the time. There is a much newer HxC version that is more similar in design to the Gotek, albeit with a microcontroller not as powerful.
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Re: GOTEC or HXC

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joska wrote:I think it's the other way around, HxC is less powerful than Gotek hardwarewise. I believe HxC only supports the HFE format for this reason, while a Gotek with HxC firmware can support disk formats like .ST directly as it's capable of doing the data <-> FM translation on the fly. HxC also supports virtual disk images on the Gotek, create a folder on the USB stick and it will be seen as a floppy disk on the Atari.
Not exactly : The SD HxC from 2008 can technically support ST images.

For example the SDiskEmul used almost the same HxC MCU : It supports *.ST, *.MSA, CPC *.DSK, Amiga ADF and all of this with the OSD ! :

http://atariamiga.free.fr/sdiskemul_tech.php
http://atariamiga.free.fr/plateformes.php
http://atariamiga.free.fr/utilisation_sdiskemul.php
http://atariamiga.free.fr/installation_sdiskemul.php
http://atariamiga.free.fr/installation_ ... ul_stf.php

So as you can see this is not a "power" question. This is just because the SD HxC was designed as a universal floppy disk drive emulator and it must support a lot more machines in a consistent way. That's why the HFE format is there : One file image format to rule all the others ! :D (~80 different file image formats !)
Other point : This design is now used by many companies and even some government agencies, so prefer to keep the thing simple and stable !

On the other side, the HxC Gotek firmware is currently more experimental, this is currently my playground :wink: , as it is more retro computing oriented.
I am testing/experimenting some new concepts/features. That's why it may appears more advanced than the normal SD HxC firmware.

@ijor : About The USB HxC CPLD version, i think that this design still have some serious potentials with the Raspberry Pi available today :).
BTW This is the first emulator supporting copy protected images (Variable bitrate, weakbits...).
For me this is the most "powerful" design : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJEekEhZtD8 :wink:
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Re: GOTEC or HXC

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Jeff_HxC2001 wrote:So as you can see this is not a "power" question....

On the other side, the HxC Gotek firmware is currently more experimental, this is currently my playground :wink: , as it is more retro computing oriented. I am testing/experimenting some new concepts/features. That's why it may appears more advanced than the normal SD HxC firmware.
While this might be true and it is indeed reasonable. Still you surely agree that the Gotek MCU is much more powerful, don't you? Actually, weren't you going to make a new HxC model based on similar hardware at some point?
@ijor : About The USB HxC CPLD version, i think that this design still have some serious potentials with the Raspberry Pi available today :).
... For me this is the most "powerful" design ...
I didn't say it isn't powerful, did I? :) It is a very nice design, no doubts about it!
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