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Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:27 pm
by Gaiyan
cb wrote:
Gaiyan wrote:Here is the English version of Kobold 3.51 I just hacked together using bits from EN 3.5 and DE 3.51. Working on Correct 1.3 next.

KOB351EN.zip
Nice! :)
I did translate it too some time ago, along with all the utilities that came with the german version and the text files.
Since I don't speak german, I used Google Translate then tried to put the sentences back to something that actually means something, then got bored. So most of the text files may seem awkward. But it is 100% translated yet mostly untested. Use it as you wish.
Oh, thank God :D

I was done with Correct and ended with a new-found respect for translators. I was NOT looking forward to doing the others although it's kinda fun... until it becomes a chore. So glad I don't have to do it.

I ran a comparison with your Kobold version with mine. I just took the "official" translation and slapped it on the update. 15 minute job. I was surprised by your version. Much better! Reads better and seems to be more complete. Good job.

It's funny to compare Correct to see what we came up. We seem to have the same approach. I don't know any German. I used Bing translate as I found it more accurate. Only gripe I have is you use "Fix" in the first action. I thought "Correct errors" was more fitting in this case :wink: but fix would've been better otherwise.

So, what else are you hiding? :D

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:01 pm
by cb
I probably have a few more rarities... I'll have a look when I have some time!

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:45 pm
by charles
was the complete pure pascal in English ever submitted to this thread ?

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:52 am
by Gaiyan
Since it's not feasible to maintain the first post anymore, should we have a proper repository in Github or something? Or would it be allowed due to the nature of abandonware?

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:09 pm
by wongck
Gaiyan wrote:Since it's not feasible to maintain the first post anymore, should we have a proper repository in Github or something? Or would it be allowed due to the nature of abandonware?
There's always the Wiki.
or do like what the Essential Software List did...
or trouble the admins to update the 1st post for you.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:18 pm
by ThorstenOtto
What wiki?

Using github is not a good idea i think. a) because the status of some of the software is still unclear and b) because github might be a bit upset if you checkin large binary files there instead of open source programs.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:32 pm
by Gaiyan
ThorstenOtto wrote:What wiki?

Using github is not a good idea i think. a) because the status of some of the software is still unclear and b) because github might be a bit upset if you checkin large binary files there instead of open source programs.
True. I didn't even think of b.
wongck wrote:There's always the Wiki.
The wiki is not something I'd like to dedicate any effort to as it was offline for so long that I can't trust it. It's a shame. Wiki should be something you can count on and collaborate on. If there's a fear that all that work will be wasted the next time it goes offline, it kinda defeats the purpose of having a Wiki.

But yes, as a concept, a wiki would be fine. Maybe on another platform.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 1:55 pm
by wongck
u just need a page to point to stuff on dropbox.
So just do what Essential Software List did.
Or host your own page so that u know it will be reliably always up :thumbs: unlike the wiki.
I mentioned wiki because u can edit it any day all day long ( as long as it is up :P )
Maybe ThorstenOtto site will give you a page.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:06 pm
by Gaiyan
Well I have my own domain on Gsuite and a static IP for my internet, which is partly mapped to my domain for NAS access outside. I have software listed on my website but it lacks collaboration, which I think is crucial.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:14 pm
by wongck
yeah, agreed. that's one thing the forum has that a static page don't.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:17 pm
by ThorstenOtto
wongck wrote:Maybe ThorstenOtto site will give you a page.
I can do that if is wanted. I just would need some software that will allow others to edit the index page/list, and to manage the access rights for doing so.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:41 am
by leech
Plenty of open source Wikis out there. Could get a Linode account or something and set one up too.
On that note, it'd be awesome to have a sister wiki that handles Past, Present and Future hardware projects as well, rather than having them scattered all over the forum.

For example, currently CT60e is available to buy. SV is a future and past one.
So for Software and Hardware, I think it'd definitely help out, though that means each project would need a person maintaining it, then linked to the main wiki.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2020 1:20 am
by LaceySnr
I've personally played around a bit with wiki.js recently - seems pretty easy to use but can also be configured to store all content in git, having that in a public repo would make it easy to stand up new instances should one go down.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:24 pm
by cb
Back with another util from Holger Weets: Notice v1.05, registered german version. Nice and small ascii editor.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2020 11:23 pm
by TheNameOfTheGame
Thank you!

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 12:15 am
by TheNameOfTheGame
cb wrote: Wed Jun 17, 2020 6:24 pm Back with another util from Holger Weets: Notice v1.05, registered german version. Nice and small ascii editor.
Here is my quick English translation (just the apps and rsc files - not the hyp file). Any errors, please let me know. :cheers:

notic105E.zip

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 3:19 pm
by cb
:) nice one, thanks for the translation!

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 5:00 pm
by nagual
Yey, we're riding again :-)

Nice contribution :-)

Cheers!
:cheers:

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 6:49 pm
by ThorstenOtto
Just in case someone wants to translate the hypertext as well: here is an archive with the recompiled german version. There are 3 different version of the text file, for different encodings (atarist, iso8859-1 and utf-8). The atari st version should be compilable by original hcp from ST-Guide, for the others you can use the compiler from my site

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri Jun 19, 2020 10:37 pm
by TheNameOfTheGame
Yes, I'm doing the hypertext at the moment.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2020 9:42 pm
by TheNameOfTheGame
I completed the hypertext translation so here is the complete English translated package including the hypertext documentation.

It is good to have another of Holger's nice apps available. :cheers:

*Edit* Re-uploaded file with slight change. I changed the picture of the search box in the hypertext from German to English for clarity.

**Edit 2** And here is the English hypertext in pdf format for those that would prefer it. (the additional corrections not added yet)
Notice.pdf

***Edit 3*** New version with several spelling errors corrected, formatting adjustments and a little German that was left removed from the hypertext. Hopefully is pretty complete now, but if anyone else finds any errors or typos please let me know.

****Edit 4**** Few more typos corrected and new version uploaded. Thanks for the suggestions. :cheers:
notic105E.zip

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 1:03 am
by wongck
Thanks downloaded it to try out.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2020 3:06 am
by Gaiyan
Lovely! Thanks!

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 1:31 am
by TheNameOfTheGame
Last update on the translated Notice documentation. These are final versions.

notice.hyp removed all trailing spaces and recompiled.
notic105E.zip

Notice.pdf integrated all previous changes to notice.hyp.
Notice.pdf

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2020 9:39 am
by ThorstenOtto
The hypertext file in the archive is in english, but the St-guide source is still the german one ;)

Apart from that, it can now also be viewed online at http://tho-otto.de/hypview/hypview.cgi? ... ice_en.hyp