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TOS PC?

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Just a thought, since (most of) the Atari TOS source was released a while back, did anyone work on porting it to x86?

Looked around but haven't found anything that was done with it at all.

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Joel wrote:Just a thought, since (most of) the Atari TOS source was released a while back, did anyone work on porting it to x86?
Most of TOS sources??? Me and many others would like to see them...
Porting to x86? I doub it. But who knows...
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It would be entirely incompatible to all existing machines running TOS.
Really a waste of time as TOS itself is outdated and pretty simple, probably not even qualifying as an operating systems by modern definitions. Afterall it is hardly more than a CP/M clone on steriods...
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ppera wrote:Most of TOS sources??? Me and many others would like to see them...
Porting to x86? I doub it. But who knows...
Maybe he meant this one. I remember reading that there are still some key parts missing from it, but have a look. You understand much more from it than I do :)
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Re: TOS PC?

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It would be entirely incompatible to all existing machines running TOS.
That's ok, they can already run TOS ;)
Really a waste of time as TOS itself is outdated and pretty simple
Blasphemy! :lol:

Well, not really. But it'd be rude NOT to make use of what's there.
Maybe he meant this one
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Well, I know that some parts of diverse TOS versions are disassembled. But it is far from complete. Plus, TOS is written in big part in C, so we really need original source codes.

"Blasphemy! :lol: Well, not really. But it'd be rude NOT to make use of what's there."

That's not eaasy task. Hardware is really incompatible - so if we would have source codes, then it would be huge job to correct all hardware specific parts. Possible, possible of course... Expectable - not, will never happen, I say.
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Joel wrote:Just a thought, since (most of) the Atari TOS source was released a while back, did anyone work on porting it to x86?
I think ASH did something like that when they created Magic PC and NVDI PC.

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While it isn't exactly TOS, the GEM sources for PC are freely available and there have been quite a few open source projects involving it. I think maybe one or two is still active?
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bullis1 wrote:While it isn't exactly TOS, the GEM sources for PC are freely available and there have been quite a few open source projects involving it. I think maybe one or two is still active?
Open Gem seems pretty slick and decent. It seems the site is not updated often, but version 7 is on its way out.

On the subject of TOS, well... meh. There's nothing particularly amazing about it really; not much more than a port of the CP/M 68k from what I've read (e.g. this).
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Nyh wrote: I think ASH did something like that when they created Magic PC and NVDI PC.
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Partially true. But Magic PC is not separate OS - it runs under Windows. Probably mostly does GEMDOS to DOS and AES, VDI calls to Windows calls transformations.
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Some parts of the OS have not materialized as source code yet, that being the GEMSOS(), BIOS(), and XBIOS(). The sources to the AES and VDI have surfaced though and other odds and ends like the Atari HD driver, CPX Control panel, etc. I think a more interesting approach would be updating the sources for coldfire, but then that requires ALL the sources. ;)
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I find this insteresting as GEM can run on any PC from the 8088 all the way up to my AMD Phenom Quad core. With all the advancements in the underlying DOS such as memory management, multitasking, usb support, access to ntfs as well as fat32, wattcp, add the OpenGem XM for Multitasking on the GEM side and I think it makes an excellent direction for Atari users. For backward compatibility you could use dos gemulator or other emualtors. If work could be done to make it easy to port current Atari applications and Mint this could be the most realistic cost effective way of extending our platform. There hasn't been a clone in over 10 years. Please offer your thoughts and ideas.

http://www.deltasoft.com/downloads.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphical_ ... nt_Manager
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeGEM
http://www.seasip.info/Gem/index.html
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http://www.geocities.com/doyetech/gem.htm
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http://www.willamowius.de/gem.html
http://www.ddj.com/184408101?pgno=3 This one seems very interesting xwindows for gem?

I added some DOS links to the list since GEM depends on DOS for now. With Atari hardware becoming more rare by the day I just think its logical to be able to use the hundreds of millions of pc's to run our Atari Software and what would feel more like home than PC GEM.
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I have a PC but it runs Ubuntu and PC GEM is not an option for me. Long story short, that idea won't make some happy. Also I have real machines, so any new apps would require PC GEM? Ugh. You can already run an emulator along side most any OS for backward compatibility and forward compatibility for that matter. There's only a hand full of GEM apps that are open source. There are a lot more open source unix apps for atari, but doesn't that defeat the purpose of PC GEM? :wink:

All in all I find it a strange idea and highly unlikely to be considered.

Also MiNT is missing VM, which is a show stopper for some more complex/high end things that are missing on our platform, so you'd be looking at not just a port, but a MiNT update that isn't for the faint at heart.
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