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Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:17 am
by Skyworm
Hey guys,

I'm fairly new here, so please excuse me if this question has been asked before.
I want to dump my collection of Atari ST games to the ftp server (ftp://retrobackup.com). I have a SuperCard Pro (which absolutely rocks!), so I'll be uploading SCP images. On the forum, I think JimDrew argues that one rev is fine (which I assume is done using the defaul values by setting the copy mode to 'index' on the SCP sw), while DrCoolZic argues it's better to use splice with 3-5 revs if you want to get better image quality and allow for conversion to .stx (did I get that right?).

What is the agreed upon method for dumping disks on the FTP server?

Again, sorry if this has been asked a million times. I am a complete noob when it comes to floppy-related stuff, but certainly very enthusiastic to learn more! =D

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:46 pm
by Skyworm
So, I've started dumping in the "Incoming-Atari ST" folder. My setup with the SuperCard Pro softare is splice with 5 revs. I check every dump with Steem, and occasionally a real ST machine.

There are some pretty good titles in there, like Betrayal, Monkey Island, Several Sierra titles, etc. So hopefully you'll see them in the main folder eventually.

Enjoy!

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:14 am
by kodak80
I think the 5 rev / 1 rev choice is really what works for you. SCP is aimed at duplicating your disks and I have started with 5 rev then had issues with 1 rev and now use 5 rev again for my backups. I also have a Kryoflux board and this defaults to 5 rev. I would recommend using 7zip to compress your SCP dumps as this saves considerable disk space and makes uploading to the retrobackup.com quicker.

Dumps look good. Many thanks for uploading them. Look forward to the remainder. :D

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:41 am
by AtariZoll
Of course, this thread should be in preservation section.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 9:34 am
by exxos
AtariZoll wrote:Of course, this thread should be in preservation section.
Yes, moved:)

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 7:02 pm
by Skyworm
kodak80 wrote:I think the 5 rev / 1 rev choice is really what works for you. SCP is aimed at duplicating your disks and I have started with 5 rev then had issues with 1 rev and now use 5 rev again for my backups. I also have a Kryoflux board and this defaults to 5 rev. I would recommend using 7zip to compress your SCP dumps as this saves considerable disk space and makes uploading to the retrobackup.com quicker.

Dumps look good. Many thanks for uploading them. Look forward to the remainder. :D
That makes sense. So I'll make sure to compress the rest of the dumps using 7zip.
Also apologies for posting in the wrong section, I'm new :)

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:02 pm
by JimDrew
Your uploads were replaced with compressed versions. Since retrobackup is only for SCP images, you probably posted in the correct forum to begin with.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 9:34 pm
by Skyworm
JimDrew wrote:Your uploads were replaced with compressed versions. Since retrobackup is only for SCP images, you probably posted in the correct forum to begin with.
Ah well, either way I'm glad you guys filled me in on the proper procedure. It's nice to find so many retro enthusiasts on the forums.

I'm compressing several more SCP images right now, so hopefully they'll be on the server in about an hour.

By the way Jim, thanks for developing the Supercard Pro, it's awesome :)

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:04 pm
by JimDrew
Thanks... they are quite popular for sure. I am getting ready for a 5th production run. Hard to believe that in a few months it will be 2 years old.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:16 pm
by Skyworm
JimDrew wrote:Thanks... they are quite popular for sure. I am getting ready for a 5th production run. Hard to believe that is a few months it will be 2 years old.
That's great news, I wish you the best Jim.

Honestly, I'm really happy that there is a market for it. It really is a very solid product, and so far I've had about 99% success with it. In fact the only exception was Prince of Persia that simply refuses to work. I might actually start a new thread about it, should be interesting to see what the problem is with that one.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 9:36 pm
by JimDrew
If you send me the flux (.scp) image file, I can tell you what's wrong with it. Make an image using SPLICE mode (2 revs or more) and send it to: data @ cbmstuff.com

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:10 pm
by Skyworm
Okay, that's weird. I dumped it again using the exact same settings (SPLICE 5 revs), and now it works... I have no idea what changed.
I've uploaded the SCP file to the FTP server.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:04 pm
by JimDrew
Are you cleaning your drive heads frequently while dumping? You should be. The magnetic media did not fair well over time and it will collect on the heads, making them "dirty". This results in incorrect data being read.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:03 am
by Skyworm
JimDrew wrote:Are you cleaning your drive heads frequently while dumping? You should be. The magnetic media did not fair well over time and it will collect on the heads, making them "dirty". This results in incorrect data being read.
Assuming there isn't a better way of cleaning the drive heads than using a "Disk Drive Head Cleaner" that I bought off ebay, then I'd say yes.

So I guess I'll look around forums to find out more about using the analyser that comes with your SCP software. It makes sense, I think, to start checking my image dumps as I go along.

Thanks Jim.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 12:58 am
by JimDrew
It's pretty obvious if the flux is bad just by loading the image into the analyzer and looking at a few tracks. I am working on a routine right now that will check the flux as the disk is copied and report if the flux ends up outside of +/-5% of the expected bitcell region.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Wed Sep 23, 2015 7:30 am
by kodak80
One other element to consider when cleaning are the floppy disks themselves. If the floppy disk has mould or dirt on the surface then this could be your problem. Cleaning the floppy disks themselves also helps get good dumps.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Thu Sep 24, 2015 8:42 pm
by Skyworm
JimDrew wrote:It's pretty obvious if the flux is bad just by loading the image into the analyzer and looking at a few tracks. I am working on a routine right now that will check the flux as the disk is copied and report if the flux ends up outside of +/-5% of the expected bitcell region.
That would be really helpful. I took a look at a sample of the disks that I've been dumping, and so far everything looks normal. Actually I found that Aufit is very useful in this regard too. I love the "Disk View" visualisation, it's very convenient. However, a routine that automates the process, like you said, within the SCP software would be optimal.
kodak80 wrote:One other element to consider when cleaning are the floppy disks themselves. If the floppy disk has mould or dirt on the surface then this could be your problem. Cleaning the floppy disks themselves also helps get good dumps.
Q-tip and alcohol? :)
I'm curious, is there a better way to clean them?

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 1:44 am
by kodak80
Q-tip and alcohol? :)
I'm curious, is there a better way to clean them?
I still use a Q-tip and alcohol as this is a delicate cleaning process. I did consider options on automating the cleaning but if dirt got in it could damage the disk surface and a Q-tip offers more tactile feedback.

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2015 6:56 am
by exxos
I tried to clean a floppy once years ago with IPA, it took the magnetic coating right off the disk :roll:

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 4:40 pm
by Skyworm
exxos wrote:I tried to clean a floppy once years ago with IPA, it took the magnetic coating right off the disk :roll:
Oh dear... :/

Re: Question about dumping to retrobackup

Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2015 12:58 am
by dlfrsilver
i use woman coton eye cleaner. It's softer than Q-tip, and allow with IPA to remove ALL the poo beyond the disk surface. With a Q-tip there's always some mould remaining on the surface.

My 2 cts and personal experience. With it, some absolutely unreadable disks came back to life, and i've been able to dump them properly :)