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Greenious ATARI ST UPGRADE GUIDE'S & TIP'S

Postby Greenious » Tue Oct 19, 2004 11:18 am

Instead of posting a new message with the guides, I'll just add them to this first message.

I have edited, added to and reviewed all the guides the past week (2006-04-24), they should be reasonable correct now.

Remember, to actually see & download the guides you have to be logged in.

Available guides so far:

* A small guide on how to upgrade memory & TOS in STE. Also containing tips on how to use multiple TOS,
* A small guide to replace your old floppy. Which PC-floppys that should work, and how their configuration differs.
* Atari harddisk quick faq. Some basic stuff about hooking your atari up to a harddrive.

Available documents that isn't made by me:
* Collection of jumpersettings on a large number of floppy drives.
* Atari Technical Bulletins. Sent out to atari-techs and deals with specific faults/problems found with atari products.

Other things that might be of interest:
* A few dumps of PAL chips used in Atari equipment.
* Added more pals from Atari HQ CD-rom, specifically for MSTE.
* F030 GALs dumped and (partially) decoded by Lyndon Amsdon

I cannot make any guarantees about these, since the dumps are untested.

Also included are 2 small pieces of F030 software I wrote a long time ago.
Fastboot bypasses IDE boot and typically speed up the boot of SCSI-only systems by up to 12 seconds.
NVRam configurator is a pretty open ended NVRam editor for the F030.

Those of you familiar with this, please review and see if I made any significant mistakes, and I'll correct them.

Everyone else, enjoy, and good luck with your upgrades!
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Postby gwEm » Mon Oct 25, 2004 5:11 pm

convert any language MEGA STE TOO TOS2.06 UK MegaSTe ;)

i had no problems.

in order to split the ROM image into high and low byte images for each EPROM i coded up some special .TTPs, which I'm attaching to this message. these are somewhat slow (prefer emulators i guess), but work fine.
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hehe

Postby Greenious » Thu Apr 20, 2006 11:04 am

Actually, took me a little while to discover this sticky thread. I'll do my best to fix up that old guide and add some new ones.
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Postby ppera » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:31 pm

http://www.ppest.org/atari/flomodam.html

Without it data corruption very likely with non-original floppies.

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Postby carmel_andrews » Sun Jan 14, 2007 8:09 pm

there is a way to use an internal amiga floppy with the ST

just reverse the data cable at the drive end, not the mobo end

when i say reverse i mean twist

you will ofcourse need to cut into the st's casing (where the drive cut out is) to reach the disk eject button or just leave the case off

that's all peeps and girls

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Re: Greenious ATARI ST UPGRADE GUIDE'S & TIP'S

Postby ppera » Fri Apr 06, 2007 1:53 pm

Greenious wrote:Instead of posting a new message with the guides, I'll just add them to this first message.

I
* Atari harddisk quick faq. Some basic stuff about hooking your atari up to a harddrive.


Those of you familiar with this, please review and see if I made any significant mistakes, and I'll correct them.

Everyone else, enjoy, and good luck with your upgrades!


Some statements are incorrect about hard disks and TOS.
32K FAT limit stays for TOS 1.0 only.
Following text about boot and limited sector size is incorrect - sector size is irrelevenat - boot loader can load as much sectors as much is needed.

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Postby Dal » Fri Sep 21, 2007 8:36 am

carmel_andrews wrote:there is a way to use an internal amiga floppy with the ST

just reverse the data cable at the drive end, not the mobo end

when i say reverse i mean twist

you will ofcourse need to cut into the st's casing (where the drive cut out is) to reach the disk eject button or just leave the case off

that's all peeps and girls


I think it's possible to take the eject button off the ST drive and pop it onto the drive out of the Amiga also.... :-)

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Postby Shockwav3 » Wed Oct 24, 2007 4:30 am


My Atari-Monsters:
Atari 1040 STE [+DDD Desktop Case +AT Keyboard Controller +4MB ST-Ram]

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Postby Greenious » Sun Oct 28, 2007 12:37 pm

Shockwav3 wrote:http://dspd.teac.de/fileadmin/redaktion/Bilder1/Bilder_neu/sonstige_Bilder/HW_HF_C929_C940_C991_Rev-A.pdf

Would that floppy work for Ataris?


Yes, it should.
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Postby Shockwav3 » Sat Nov 03, 2007 6:58 pm

Just again for idiots ... what signals does an Atari floppy need? I was just trying to use a Chinon FZ-354 (usually used as an Amiga DD floppy) in my STE for half an hour, til I found out that I had to set jumpers for DS0 (obviously), DC (would have made sense for a HD floppy) and ready actually.
I thought DD floppies just need to be set to DS0 and you'd be ready to go.
For HD additionally DC on Pin34 and HD-Detect on Pin 2. Meaning no ready signal in any case.

Or am I wrong here?
Using my Mitsumi D359T3 which is HD-ready (hehe, funny to use that phrase in this context) [DS0, DC on Pin34, HD-detect on Pin2] didn't work anyways :/

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Postby ppera » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:48 pm

Atari ST does not use DC (disk change) line. Detection of change is solved different what makes troubles with many drives . See my link couple posts above about disk changing detection mod.

Following lines are used by ST(E) :

Read Data
Side Select
Index
Drive 0 sel.
Drive 1 sel.
Motor On
Dir
Step
Write Data
Write Gate
Track 0
Write Protect


Yes, it should work when you set jumper to DS0. Is floppy LED activating at all? If not may be bad cable, connector or even sound chip.
Is FDC in machine OK?

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Re: Greenious ATARI ST UPGRADE GUIDE'S & TIP'S

Postby Hanzu » Wed Sep 17, 2014 12:22 pm

"The selected attachment does not exist anymore." on all attachments. Are these available somewhere else?
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Re: Greenious ATARI ST UPGRADE GUIDE'S & TIP'S

Postby Dal » Wed Sep 17, 2014 3:48 pm

No - I'm currently fixing this issue. We have recently moved hosts and it seems my attempt to pull all the files over to the new box via ftp was thwarted by some kind of leech protection on the old host. All being well, I should have dead file links fixed this evening.
FireBee, Falcon -Soundpool case: CT63@95Mhz + 14MB/512MB + 16GB SSD + FPU + Phantom 25/50 + SuperVidel + SoundPool FDI + FA8 + ADAT + Eiffel, TT030: 4MB/16MB + Crazy Dots, Mega"SST" 12, STbook, STacy 2, MegaSTE, STE: Desktopper case, IDE interface, UltraSatan (8GB + 512Mb) + HXC floppy emulator. Plus some STE's/STFM's

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Re: Greenious ATARI ST UPGRADE GUIDE'S & TIP'S

Postby Dal » Wed Sep 17, 2014 10:12 pm

They should all be working again now.
FireBee, Falcon -Soundpool case: CT63@95Mhz + 14MB/512MB + 16GB SSD + FPU + Phantom 25/50 + SuperVidel + SoundPool FDI + FA8 + ADAT + Eiffel, TT030: 4MB/16MB + Crazy Dots, Mega"SST" 12, STbook, STacy 2, MegaSTE, STE: Desktopper case, IDE interface, UltraSatan (8GB + 512Mb) + HXC floppy emulator. Plus some STE's/STFM's

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Re: Greenious ATARI ST UPGRADE GUIDE'S & TIP'S

Postby troed » Tue Jun 28, 2016 8:40 pm

The C301901 (MSTE HD floppy) dump is all zeroes. I can't imagine that being right :/

(I'm planning on having both the C301903, MSTE FPU - which I've seen in another thread is verified working, and the C301901 being programmed)

Is there another verified source?

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Postby Greenious » Tue Jun 28, 2016 10:06 pm

No, it's likely not correct. I was given those dumps a long time ago and the atari tech at atari scandinavia who gave them to me warned me some could be bad...

I did find more PALs on the Atari HQ CD, aswell as a number of ATBs (Atari Technical Bulletins), updating the first post with what I found.

Unfortunately, none of that can help you with C301901... :(

Btw, are you sure you need to replace that pal? Only the early MSTEs came with a pal that don't handle HD-floppys afaik. The later ones, and the vast majority of MSTEs, got the correct pal from factory as far as I remember...
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Re: Greenious ATARI ST UPGRADE GUIDE'S & TIP'S

Postby troed » Wed Jun 29, 2016 4:29 am

I have the -001 PAL, the replacement manual specifies the needed part being -002.

(Other things, like resistor instead of jumper for the FPU, points to it being an early motherboard as well)

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Re: Greenious ATARI ST UPGRADE GUIDE'S & TIP'S

Postby troed » Wed Jun 29, 2016 8:29 am

It seems a .JED is available in a .zip from Rodolphe's page here: http://rodolphe.czuba.free.fr/Museum/ST_GALs.zip

MODE_26.JED
MODE_HD.JED
MSTE_881.JED
MSTE_UA2.JED <-- this should be it

edit: Looking through the files, it seems they contain more things at the end than the others. What's that for? I compared the FPU PAL to the other versions linked here. Example:

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16L8-12/-15/-25
Fuse map universal device programmer*
QF2048*
L00000 11111111111111111111111111111111*
L00032 11111111101111111111111111111111*
L00064 11111011111111111111111111111111*
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L01792 11111111111111111111111111111111*
L01824 10011101110110010101100110100110*
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C1221*
FF61


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20.07.1996, 10:03:12

MSTE_881.JED

created with GAL-Programmer V1.6, (c) Apr 24 1994 by Markus Hoffmann *

F0 *

N pin 19: inverted three-state output *
L0000 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 *
L0032 1111 1111 1011 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 *
L0064 1111 1011 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 *

N pin 18: inverted three-state output *

N pin 17: inverted three-state output *

N pin 16: inverted three-state output *

N pin 15: inverted three-state output *

N pin 14: inverted three-state output *

N pin 13: inverted three-state output *

N pin 12: inverted three-state output *
L1792 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 1111 *
L1824 1001 1101 1101 1001 0101 1001 1010 0110 *

N XOR(19..12) bits: *
L2048 00000000 *

N user ID: "MSTE 881" *
L2056 01001101010100110101010001000101
      00100000001110000011100000110001 *

N AC1(19..12) bits: *
L2120 11111111 *

N enable product terms: *
L2128 11111111111111111111111111111111
      11111111111111111111111111111111 *

N SYN bit: *
L2192 1 *

N AC0 bit: *
L2193 1 *

0000


Up until 2016 they're exactly the same.

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