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Modern multisync monitors?

Postby dhedberg » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:23 pm

I know multisync monitors have been discussed here before, but it's mostly been discussions around older monitors.
Does anyone know of any monitors that can be bought in stores *today* that are capable of 15kHz / 50Hz and that work well with the Atari ST and Falcon030?

I've been looking at this one: NEC MultiSync EA193Mi
The specifications says it does not support 15kHz / 50Hz, but actually it has pretty much the same specifications (horizontal/vertical frequencies) as the NEC MultiSync 1970NXp which works great with 15kHz / 50Hz. So, by just looking at the specifications you get nowhere...
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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby troed » Thu Aug 24, 2017 9:24 pm

Does it have to be a store? I bought a 1990FXp off eBay for ~€50 shipped to Sweden the other week. The biggest problem is usually to find a current model that isn't widesceen.

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Postby dhedberg » Fri Sep 14, 2018 10:34 pm

I ended up buying the Benq BL912 19" monitor. It works all the way down to 15.7kHz/50Hz and can show all ST and Falcon030 video modes. Looks like the monitor is still available in stores and online. It's a TN screen so the viewing angle is not great, but it's fast so demos and games look great. Overall a pretty awesome monitor for the Atari!
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Postby Rustynutt » Sat Sep 15, 2018 1:38 am

Had a weird blip on a NEC LCD 1970v.
Works perfectly in RGB modes for everything. Been testing an Expose video card. When I fired up Apex 2.41 in RGB mode, said the input was out of range in TC
Figure it a fine line between 15.7 and 15.5 :) Know Apex does a lot of video tricks. Didn't try to go back version, or connecting an SC. Been using Apex since Doug came up with the video mods on the Falcon board. Something I did notice, and be cool if everyone did, is to clean out their old modified versions. I have patched versions for the 040 CPU, a butt load of test patch versions collected over the years that shouldn't be floating around.....

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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby dhedberg » Sun Sep 23, 2018 4:08 pm

dhedberg wrote:I ended up buying the Benq BL912 19" monitor. It works all the way down to 15.7kHz/50Hz and can show all ST and Falcon030 video modes. Looks like the monitor is still available in stores and online. It's a TN screen so the viewing angle is not great, but it's fast so demos and games look great. Overall a pretty awesome monitor for the Atari!

An update on this monitor. For the ST it's great, but for the Falcon030 it's not optimal as it takes a 2-3 seconds to sync to new frequencies, this hits some Falcon030 demos pretty bad that switch between video modes without ensuring that the frequencies stay the same.

So I kept looking for a different monitor and got my hands on a Dell UltraSharp U2410 monitor, a Dell high-end monitor, now out-of-production but can be found on e-bay. It's a 16:10 screen at 1920x1200 native. This monitor has no problems syncing down to 15kHz, and it syncs to new frequencies instantly, making it ideal for the Falcon030! The monitor has an amazing number of inputs. It's a wide screen monitor but can be set to show the screen either as fill, aspect ratio, or 1:1. As a bonus it supports Picture-in-Picture and Picture-beside-Picture for any 2 combination of inputs. This makes it possible for me to run the Falcon030 and TT030 side by side on the same monitor. Quite an odd feeling the first time you see it. Overall, a great monitor. I'm happy! :D
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Postby mikro » Sun Sep 23, 2018 7:37 pm

dhedberg wrote:So I kept looking for a different monitor and got my hands on a Dell UltraSharp U2410 monitor, a Dell high-end monitor, now out-of-production but can be found on e-bay. It's a 16:10 screen at 1920x1200 native. This monitor has no problems syncing down to 15kHz, and it syncs to new frequencies instantly, making it ideal for the Falcon030!

Do you know what is the difference between that and U2410F? I'd hate to buy a wrong one! ;-)

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Postby dhedberg » Sun Sep 23, 2018 8:28 pm

Different suppliers I've read. I tried to find out whether mine is a U2410F or U2410, but it doesn't say anywhere. Monitors usually have a sticker somewhere with the details but I wasn't able to find one on mine. Maybe somebody removed it, I don't know.
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Postby Almerian » Thu Oct 11, 2018 1:37 am

dhedberg wrote:Different suppliers I've read. I tried to find out whether mine is a U2410F or U2410, but it doesn't say anywhere. Monitors usually have a sticker somewhere with the details but I wasn't able to find one on mine. Maybe somebody removed it, I don't know.

There is a small plastic card on the left side behind the card slots that you can slide out. It will have the details.

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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby sety » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:53 am

I have a Dell U2410. It's fantastic. I'm able to push 1344x1008x256 or 960x688 True Colour, all without SuperVidel and if you spend enough time tuning your video modes there is no waiting for sync or autoadjustment needed. In fact I'm writing this post on my Falcon right now in Netsurf.

My sticker was also removed. It was replaced by a power safety test tag. I guess these monitors were used more in industry, they're heavy and bulky, not the kind of thing that would sell well at home.

Anyway, when I open the menu the model information is in the top right hand corner. But of course the best way is to try it and see. :)
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Postby sety » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:59 am

mikro: If you're happy to ship from Australia I can line you up with the guy I bought mine from. He inherited some computer charity business from some old guy who passed away. He has a whole sea container full of these monitors.
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Postby mikro » Thu Oct 11, 2018 12:56 pm

sety: that's a very generous offer but in the meantime I managed to buy a refurbished one here in Slovakia so I'm happy with that. But if those the guy has are new, it's a very tempting option for sure. :-P

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Postby calimero » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:28 pm

mikro wrote:Do you know what is the difference between that and U2410F? I'd hate to buy a wrong one! ;-)


OMG! I just check price of used dell 2410 and it is over 120 euro here in serbia! :D
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Postby dhedberg » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:34 pm

120 EUR isn't that bad. Think they were around 800 EUR new and the monitor is still up to par with other 24 inch monitors on the market today. 6ms IPS screen with great colors. I found 2 for 110 EUR each here in Sweden. Bought both of them as they were just a 30 min drive away.
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Postby mikro » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:29 pm

Likewise. Paid 110 EUR incl. postage. I guess it is really a worthy deal.

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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby stormy » Mon Dec 24, 2018 6:38 pm

Just chiming in, I got a Dell u2410 as Sety recommended - and WOW it is amazing. Best retro monitor anyone could ever want, and built like a tank! It's got every input you could ever need, vga, composite, component, hdmi, dvi, displayport. All in wonderful IPS colours.

Sure it goes for good prices second hand, but it is worth it. Also like Sety I am getting 1008x880 on my bus overclocked Falcon, amazing!
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Postby dhedberg » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:57 pm

Yes. It's amazing for the Falcon030. Accepts any frequency you throw at it and is super fast to sync when frequencies change, making it the only modern monitor I'm aware that can be used to view all Falcon030 demos without missing out on frames during switching of video modes.
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Postby Mr.JT » Tue Dec 25, 2018 4:06 am

mzry wrote:Just chiming in, I got a Dell u2410 as Sety recommended - and WOW it is amazing. Best retro monitor anyone could ever want, and built like a tank! It's got every input you could ever need, vga, composite, component, hdmi, dvi, displayport. All in wonderful IPS colours.

Sure it goes for good prices second hand, but it is worth it. Also like Sety I am getting 1008x880 on my bus overclocked Falcon, amazing!


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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby Estrayk » Tue Dec 25, 2018 12:44 pm

sety wrote:I have a Dell U2410. It's fantastic. I'm able to push 1344x1008x256 or 960x688 True Colour, all without SuperVidel and if you spend enough time tuning your video modes there is no waiting for sync or autoadjustment needed. In fact I'm writing this post on my Falcon right now in Netsurf.

My sticker was also removed. It was replaced by a power safety test tag. I guess these monitors were used more in industry, they're heavy and bulky, not the kind of thing that would sell well at home.

Anyway, when I open the menu the model information is in the top right hand corner. But of course the best way is to try it and see. :)


I've an U2410 also. Will be good if you can share your config for those resolutions without supervidel. What soft you use? Videlity?
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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby trecool » Tue Dec 25, 2018 5:15 pm

Can anyone confirm if U2410F works the same?

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Postby mikro » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:06 pm

trecool wrote:Can anyone confirm if U2410F works the same?

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=34533&p=356912

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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby stormy » Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:31 pm

Estrayk wrote:
sety wrote:I have a Dell U2410. It's fantastic. I'm able to push 1344x1008x256 or 960x688 True Colour, all without SuperVidel and if you spend enough time tuning your video modes there is no waiting for sync or autoadjustment needed. In fact I'm writing this post on my Falcon right now in Netsurf.

My sticker was also removed. It was replaced by a power safety test tag. I guess these monitors were used more in industry, they're heavy and bulky, not the kind of thing that would sell well at home.

Anyway, when I open the menu the model information is in the top right hand corner. But of course the best way is to try it and see. :)


I've an U2410 also. Will be good if you can share your config for those resolutions without supervidel. What soft you use? Videlity?


The settings are by Sety in this thread:
viewtopic.php?f=27&t=34870
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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby trecool » Fri Dec 28, 2018 6:35 am

mikro wrote:
trecool wrote:Can anyone confirm if U2410F works the same?

http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.ph ... 3&p=356912

:roll: Thanks! Monitor is on the way.

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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby stormy » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:14 am

trecool wrote:
mikro wrote:
trecool wrote:Can anyone confirm if U2410F works the same?

viewtopic.php?f=15&t=34533&p=356912

:roll: Thanks! Monitor is on the way.


Apparently they are identical models:
https://www.dell.com/community/Monitors ... -p/3681751
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Re: Modern multisync monitors?

Postby stormy » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:53 am

With the U2410 monitor my Falcon is running 1536x1008x256 widescreen, multitasking with IRC and MP3 playback.. who would have thought :)

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