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Eero Tamminen wrote:Unixy MiNT software is available from here:
http://sparemint.org/sparemint/html/packages.html
Eero Tamminen wrote:They're m68k versions, but with suitable MiNT setup, it would be possible to automate their build for ColdFire.
Eero Tamminen wrote:For reference, here's documentation on building Linux from scratch:
http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/
Such documentation is missing for MiNT. (And Linux documentation obviously cannot be applied as-is)
Eero Tamminen wrote:Especially when FB (AFAIK) doesn't ship even an interactive shell. Adding read-line enabled Bash to Firebee configuration wouldn't take much.
BlankVector wrote:Yes, Jo Even made amazing work.
BlankVector wrote:Configuring a windowed command-line environment for FreeMiNT is complicated.
Even more complicated than a graphics-only setup.
It was definitely a *lot* faster than creating and testing the GEM-only MiNT-setup for the FireBee
m0n0 wrote:Can you explain how to setup toswin2 to get the best out of it? I can't do it, I don't understand it, it's an complex topic...
terminal types, character sets, the term database of ncurses... really, It's a lot of stuff to understand when you want to do the setup and not just want to take the (irrational) defaults.
m0n0 wrote:Maybe these problems do not appear with conholio, because it uses it's own character set and "linux" as terminal type....
m0n0 wrote:Also, you have to know that you need /etc/passwd before toswin enables the "new shell" menu entry
Which you will know if you read the docs for TosWin2.
Maybe, I haven't really tried it on my FireBee. But you are right, there are several annoying things about TosWin2. The non-standard terminal types is one. I even use MiniWin at times as it's much smaller and faster than TosWin2 and emulates VT52 pretty well.
Which you will know if you read the docs for TosWin2.
m0n0 wrote:I think the only doc which comes with toswin2 is FAQ.txt? Hm, and that one is to huge![]()
m0n0 wrote:but vt52 isn't enough for more modern unix applications.... joe, emacs, pine, mutt, centerim, nano etc...
m0n0 wrote:Maybe we can agree that it is no so trivial to setup the shell environment like you said....
Of course it´s glad, as it stops shell freaks to force others to totally change their way of thinking graphically (what GEM is all about)
m0n0 wrote:Maybe we can agree that it is no so trivial to setup the shell environment like you said....
joska wrote:So while it's not trivial, it's not very difficult either. It's not more difficult than setting up a working GEM-environment from the confusing official FreeMiNT releases.
Mathias wrote:Of course it´s glad, as it stops shell freaks to force others to totally change their way of thinking graphically (what GEM is all about). But I will explain this tomorrow detaild and in a way that does not only sound like a troll.
jfl wrote:This is bonkers. The presence of a shell forces people to use it? Indeed you better explain yourself because you're starting to piss me off.
jfl wrote:Mathias wrote:Of course it´s glad, as it stops shell freaks to force others to totally change their way of thinking graphically (what GEM is all about). But I will explain this tomorrow detaild and in a way that does not only sound like a troll.
This is bonkers. The presence of a shell forces people to use it? Indeed you better explain yourself because you're starting to piss me off.
Mathias wrote:So why I am glad that there is no shell, is:
1) The whole world can see now that MiNT usage in GEM ways is possible, and working very well! There is the proove now. If there would have been a shell, people would often feel/think/suspect it is necessary and "in some mystical ways important or responsible for some background task".
Which installer? There is no installer, ... just unpacking it.wongck wrote: There is a big secret that you do not know... the installer does install a shell. A tiny one, but nevertheless it is a shell.
I may be wrong because I do not own one, may be it does something with the shell and delete it at the last moment.
FB owners please check your files.
wongck wrote: Without the Unix-like environment, there will not be easy networking, large disk space and what ever....
Mathias wrote: Which installer? There is no installer, ... just unpacking it.
Do you mean that fallback stuff which can be accessed at bootup? I don´t know if it still is here. BTW you can check the setup yourselve: http://atari.nvg.org/firebee-mint/
Perhaps if you have a look you can understand why it is soo great for me!
Mathias wrote:wongck wrote: Without the Unix-like environment, there will not be easy networking, large disk space and what ever....
Thats not true! The FireBee setup contains both without any Unix stuff. Thats exactly what I am talking about. Many people postulate it is necessary while it is not!
(except the possibility you consider some .ttps, some config files and a handful folders as "Unix-like environment"?)
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