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SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Fri Mar 12, 2010 8:24 pm

Hi,
!!!! SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering is now open !!!!

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Preordering of the Floppy emulator are open here :
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180532244914

You can found some details about this board here (please carefully read it) :
http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator/SDCard_HxC_Floppy_Emulator.pdf

For more informations, software update and firmware update :

Project website : http://hxc2001.free.fr/floppy_drive_emulator
Project Forum : http://www.torlus.com/floppy/forum
Official seller : http://www.mmj.pl/~lotharek/atari/

Some youtube videos showing the device in action:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzfUZorBayw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6dBTyfPrkg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeJvNCPMU-c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O74GgYcA3w <-Atari ST HxC Floppy Emulator host control program

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby mikro » Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:15 am

Wow, I'm really curious if our Paypal friends will be OK with this. For us, >1 week shipping time was a reason why we had to completely cancel Paypal-based preorders, they went as far as freezing all our Paypal money, so beware, it's not fun after that, it took me half year to become "legal citizen" again.

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:34 am

mikro wrote:Wow, I'm really curious if our Paypal friends will be OK with this. For us, >1 week shipping time was a reason why we had to completely cancel Paypal-based preorders, they went as far as freezing all our Paypal money, so beware, it's not fun after that, it took me half year to become "legal citizen" again.


Thanks for the information, i will communicate this to lotharek.

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 7:57 am

Another preordering open (50 pieces):

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0489242672

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby wongck » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:17 am

I have read the PDF but it does not state how many floppies can a 2GB card take?
Can it boot the Atari AUTO folder on floppies?
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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:20 am

wongck wrote:I have read the PDF but it does not state how many floppies can a 2GB card take?


~1000

wongck wrote:Can it boot the Atari AUTO folder on floppies?


yes. the device replace the floppy disk drive and you can boot on it.

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 8:23 am

Another point for ST users :

Now you can found the video demo of the SD HxC Floppy Emulator "On System Disk Selector" for Atari ST (alpha version) here :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQimURqIEU4

(for the moment it's slow, and not very pleasant, but this can be easily improve in the future :D )

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby DarkLord » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:23 pm

I'm trying to get this straight in my mind before I decide whether to order or not....

Lets say I boot up with a floppy (on the 2gig SD card) with an AUTO folder and some
ACC's. Then can I switch to another floppy position on the ST's screen (like having
floppy 1-2-3 xxxxx represented on the screen like hard drive partitions C - D - E - F etc)
, and transfer data back and forth between them?

Thanks, and I hope I didn't make that too confusing. :)
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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby alexh » Sat Apr 03, 2010 5:58 pm

I think what dark-lord is asking is can multiple drives be emulated at once with one emulator using just the internal cable?

Personally I don't think such capability would be necessary cos you can always set up a RAM drive to use as an intermediary and swap disks with a single emulated drive.

Plus you can use an emulator with multiple emulated disk drives to transfer files between disk images, copy them to your SD card and re-insert into the Atari.

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:05 pm

alexh wrote:I think what dark-lord is asking is can multiple drives be emulated at once with one emulator using just the internal cable?

Personally I don't think such capability would be necessary cos you can always set up a RAM drive to use as an intermediary and swap disks with a single emulated drive.

Plus you can use an emulator with multiple emulated disk drives to transfer files between disk images, copy them to your SD card and re-insert into the Atari.


2 disks drives emulation will be available soon.

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby wongck » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:37 pm

DarkLord wrote:I'm trying to get this straight in my mind before I decide whether to order or not....

Lets say I boot up with a floppy (on the 2gig SD card) with an AUTO folder and some
ACC's. Then can I switch to another floppy position on the ST's screen (like having
floppy 1-2-3 xxxxx represented on the screen like hard drive partitions C - D - E - F etc)
, and transfer data back and forth between them?

Thanks, and I hope I didn't make that too confusing. :)


it's suppose to emulate a floppy drive. So use it like a floppy drive.
You should only have A: & B:, the rest are harddisk drive.
It's TOS that does the copy from A: to B: and TOS will ask you to swap diskette (assume it's only 1 drive).
So my guess is that you between the two disk images via the emulator (next & previous buttons I suppose).
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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby wongck » Sun Apr 04, 2010 2:37 pm

Jeff_HxC2001 wrote:2 disks drives emulation will be available soon.


This firmware update, will it be do-able without additional hardware/cables ?
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Postby wongck » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:29 pm

Jeff_HxC2001 wrote:~1000


Can select so many from your menu?
What is the limit?
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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby DarkLord » Sun Apr 04, 2010 9:25 pm

Okay, I'm kind of eccentric about these things - but when I use my Atari, I don' t like any
hand-holding from any other PC or OS. :)

So...if I've get the device in one of my Atari's. I've got a 2 gig card formatted, with 1000
positions...position one, with an AUTO folder on it, with some programs, and some
ACC's on the root loaded up, and say I've got 4 megs of RAM and a Ram disk like Alex
suggested...that is at least the size of a floppy disk...could I select position 248 (random
number from the top of my head) and copy anything from it to the Ram disk or vice-versa?

Then switch back to Position 1...and then remove the card, insert a 2nd formatted card
and copy from the Ram disk to a position on it - all without having to reboot?

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Postby alexh » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:08 pm

Without the PC how did you get the disk images on the card in the first place?

Yes you'll be able to do what you describe.

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Postby DarkLord » Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:48 pm

alexh wrote:Without the PC how did you get the disk images on the card in the first place?

Yes you'll be able to do what you describe.


Okay, so you have to have a PC running an alternative OS just to use this device. Sorry
if I missed this in another message...

but...

for me....that's:

Strike 1

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:07 am

DarkLord wrote:
alexh wrote:Without the PC how did you get the disk images on the card in the first place?

Yes you'll be able to do what you describe.


Okay, so you have to have a PC running an alternative OS just to use this device. Sorry
if I missed this in another message...

but...

for me....that's:

Strike 1

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For the moment... ;-) Don't forget that the atari have a direct access to the sdcard now ;-)...

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Postby wongck » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:36 am

DarkLord wrote:Okay, so you have to have a PC running an alternative OS just to use this device. Sorry
if I missed this in another message...

You need to convert the MSA images to HFE (I think this is right, as I seen in the demo ) which the device reads.
So if jeff (or someone else) can convert all the demos/games to stuff it in, you just need to write to the SD card once.
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Postby wongck » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:37 am

Jeff_HxC2001 wrote:For the moment... ;-) Don't forget that the atari have a direct access to the sdcard now ;-)...


My Atari systems can already write to FAT32 SD cards on Mint.
Are you saying that there will be a HFE converter for TOS/Mint?
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Postby wongck » Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:40 am

OK, so if I create a blank empty 1.44MB disk image on the SD card called IMG1.HFE.
Can I make a copy of it on MINT, and rename it IMG2.HFE and now I have 2 floppy diskette equivalent?
How does TOS knows that it is a different floppy disc as it uses the serial number distinguise one from another (so media change work) ?
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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 7:59 pm

wongck wrote:
Jeff_HxC2001 wrote:For the moment... ;-) Don't forget that the atari have a direct access to the sdcard now ;-)...


My Atari systems can already write to FAT32 SD cards on Mint.
Are you saying that there will be a HFE converter for TOS/Mint?


Yes this should be possible.
I need to make a build of the converter for TOS and test it.

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Postby Jeff_HxC2001 » Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:04 pm

wongck wrote:OK, so if I create a blank empty 1.44MB disk image on the SD card called IMG1.HFE.
Can I make a copy of it on MINT, and rename it IMG2.HFE and now I have 2 floppy diskette equivalent?
How does TOS knows that it is a different floppy disc as it uses the serial number distinguise one from another (so media change work) ?


One solution is to format HFE file/virtual floppy on MINT.
Otherwise i can add the auto change of the serial number in the hfe generator.

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Postby wongck » Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:36 am

Jeff_HxC2001 wrote:One solution is to format HFE file/virtual floppy on MINT.


formatting a virtual floppy will not destroy the image???
Sync bits etc will be lost, no?
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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby alexh » Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:32 pm

This sounds very masochistic considering your PC/Mac probably hosts your .ST/.MSA collection at the moment.

Not to mention you could probably batch convert your entire .ST/.MSA collection (even unzipping them in the process) using a modern x86 CPU in under an hour where it will take days on an 030/060.

Sure it would be good to have these tools on the Atari for the odd one-off disk which has never been imaged before but surely not for entire collections.

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Re: SDCard HxC Floppy Emulator Preordering

Postby wongck » Tue Apr 06, 2010 2:55 pm

yeap. most likely be leaching off some site with a download manager. so it will definately not be on PeeCee in the first place. Batch conversion and all will definately be faster there as well. Moving all to a 2 GB SD, writting also seems faster on the PeeCee than on my Falc. :wink:
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