Atari Legend Expansion...?

Atari Legend talk.

Moderators: Klapauzius, Moderator Team

User avatar
Heavy Stylus
Atari Super Hero
Atari Super Hero
Posts: 776
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:59 pm
Location: Exeter, UK
Contact:

Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Heavy Stylus » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:33 pm

Being a C64 user (as well as an Atarian) I'm a regular user of the C64 Scene Database (http://noname.c64.org/csdb/) and I think that AL has the potential to expand into this sort of all-encompasing Atari resource.

It would be great if in future the site could expand to hold entries of not just all the games, but demos, utilities, productivity software, music and gfx, maintained and updated by site visitors and people still active in the scene

At the moment I'm having to hunt around at pouet.net for demos and stuff, ftps for utils, AL for games and DBug for patches. It would be nice if it could all be hosted under one roof.

Perhaps the answer would be (to avoid problematic internal politics) to set up a similar database to the C64SDB as a seperate entity all together?

Anyway, I know this is all pipe dream stuff, but it is a shame that the Atari lacks an all-in resource :(
http://www.rgcd.co.uk
The Essential Discmag for Retro Gamers!

http://www.myspace.com/heavystylus
Usual myspace crap.

http://tinyurl.com/heavystylus
Facebook

User avatar
bullis1
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2301
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:32 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby bullis1 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 2:59 pm

It's already been in the works for a while. Haven't you noticed the extra buttons on the sidebar of AL? Those sections are all partially complete, but not open to the public yet.

Right now, users can contribute to the game section using the "info correct?" link on each game's page. The same function exists for the demo and menu sections I think, but they can't be accessed yet. I don't know when they will be either, as I'm only concerned with the games database.

EDIT: In my experience, "all-in" resources tend to be lacking. You know what they say, "Jack of all trades, master of none." Also, Pouet is a great site for Atari ST scene productions and I use it all the time. There are some lesser-known forms on Pouet that will allow you to find great things that you never knew existed.
Member of the Atari Legend team

User avatar
Heavy Stylus
Atari Super Hero
Atari Super Hero
Posts: 776
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:59 pm
Location: Exeter, UK
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Heavy Stylus » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:23 pm

Yeah - but I think AL still lacks buttons for utilities/apps/tools, etc. (can't check at the moment - I'm still at 'work' ;)) What about the downloads? Still many are missing (even the legal PD stuff) - is there going to be an option for members to upload stuff?
http://www.rgcd.co.uk
The Essential Discmag for Retro Gamers!

http://www.myspace.com/heavystylus
Usual myspace crap.

http://tinyurl.com/heavystylus
Facebook

User avatar
Heavy Stylus
Atari Super Hero
Atari Super Hero
Posts: 776
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:59 pm
Location: Exeter, UK
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Heavy Stylus » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:29 pm

Oh - and I really don't want to cause trouble here - but the DBug/AL/AF situation will need to be resolved if AL is to eventually become a definitive source of all things Atari. Regardless of the difficult politics involved with this, no-one can deny the fact that DBug have done good things for the Atari scene with their hundreds of menus and falcon patches... As (of course) have Atari Legend as well.

Anyway - I'm looking forward to the extra areas being opened so I can help with contributing. :)
http://www.rgcd.co.uk
The Essential Discmag for Retro Gamers!

http://www.myspace.com/heavystylus
Usual myspace crap.

http://tinyurl.com/heavystylus
Facebook

User avatar
Heavy Stylus
Atari Super Hero
Atari Super Hero
Posts: 776
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:59 pm
Location: Exeter, UK
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Heavy Stylus » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:31 pm

bullis1 wrote:EDIT: In my experience, "all-in" resources tend to be lacking. You know what they say, "Jack of all trades, master of none." Also, Pouet is a great site for Atari ST scene productions and I use it all the time. There are some lesser-known forms on Pouet that will allow you to find great things that you never knew existed.


I completely agree with this, but CSDB is the exception to this rule. But then again, it's been established for many, many years and has a huuuuge team of supporters.
http://www.rgcd.co.uk
The Essential Discmag for Retro Gamers!

http://www.myspace.com/heavystylus
Usual myspace crap.

http://tinyurl.com/heavystylus
Facebook

User avatar
bullis1
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2301
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:32 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby bullis1 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 3:49 pm

Heavy Stylus wrote:Oh - and I really don't want to cause trouble here - but the DBug/AL/AF situation will need to be resolved if AL is to eventually become a definitive source of all things Atari. Regardless of the difficult politics involved with this, no-one can deny the fact that DBug have done good things for the Atari scene with their hundreds of menus and falcon patches... As (of course) have Atari Legend as well.

Anyway - I'm looking forward to the extra areas being opened so I can help with contributing. :)


I'm pretty sure that nobody who is currently active at AL has any issue with DBug at all. I'm pretty sure that they only had beef with Brume because he banned them from the forum. Brume isn't around anymore. Also DBUG doesn't like our releases and thinks we're lamers. I don't know where you got the idea that there is some sort of feud between AL and DBug. I think it's just one-sided? We don't talk about DBug on AL anymore because they didn't want us to post about them. No big, I'm sure anyone who cares already knows about their site.

This is just my take on the situation, but I've seen all this unfold.

EDIT: Also, regarding your request of a utils/apps section: You realize that this would be literally impossible to maintain, right? It couldn't be definitive, no matter what.
Member of the Atari Legend team

User avatar
Heavy Stylus
Atari Super Hero
Atari Super Hero
Posts: 776
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:59 pm
Location: Exeter, UK
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Heavy Stylus » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:26 pm

bullis1 wrote:EDIT: Also, regarding your request of a utils/apps section: You realize that this would be literally impossible to maintain, right? It couldn't be definitive, no matter what.


Why not? There's only a finite amount of apps for the Atari, and it would be great to have them all in one place. Sure, it would require a LOT of work, but if you opened up the AL system to *more* administrators then people could add entries for software that they use to save you from all the work.

We're both Atari users, yet I'm sure that we both use completely different tools and apps - and likewise I'm sure that some of the stuff you use is better than what I have on my HD, and vice versa. Having an online resource for all this where people could post comments/mini-reviews, screenshots, etc. would be really useful - almost as useful as the games DB in fact.
http://www.rgcd.co.uk
The Essential Discmag for Retro Gamers!

http://www.myspace.com/heavystylus
Usual myspace crap.

http://tinyurl.com/heavystylus
Facebook

User avatar
bullis1
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2301
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:32 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby bullis1 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:38 pm

Heavy Stylus wrote:Why not? There's only a finite amount of apps for the Atari, and it would be great to have them all in one place. Sure, it would require a LOT of work, but if you opened up the AL system to *more* administrators then people could add entries for software that they use to save you from all the work.

We're both Atari users, yet I'm sure that we both use completely different tools and apps - and likewise I'm sure that some of the stuff you use is better than what I have on my HD, and vice versa. Having an online resource for all this where people could post comments/mini-reviews, screenshots, etc. would be really useful - almost as useful as the games DB in fact.


I think that every app in use by every Atari user would only account for 10% of the apps that exist for the platform. Anyway, I'm not saying that this won't happen but I don't really make the decisions at AL. I just happen to post the most :wink: But seriously, there are a lot more programs and utils for ST/TT/Falcon than I care to think about. It depends on whether you wish to include non-commercial programs in the database as well.
Member of the Atari Legend team

User avatar
Heavy Stylus
Atari Super Hero
Atari Super Hero
Posts: 776
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:59 pm
Location: Exeter, UK
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Heavy Stylus » Tue Apr 22, 2008 4:51 pm

Yeah - I get what you are saying.

Actually - that's another point. Will there ever be a falcon section of AL?
http://www.rgcd.co.uk
The Essential Discmag for Retro Gamers!

http://www.myspace.com/heavystylus
Usual myspace crap.

http://tinyurl.com/heavystylus
Facebook

User avatar
bullis1
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2301
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:32 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby bullis1 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:15 pm

There are already a few falcon games mixed in there. They don't have any special tags on them that designate them as such. However, I will try to get the coder to add that feature for us. Maybe a way to search for games that were commercially released as falcon-compatible and/or falcon-only. As of now, we don't cover hacks/cracks that add STE or Falcon compatibility. We only document the original releases so far.
Member of the Atari Legend team

User avatar
Mug UK
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11210
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm
Location: Stockport (UK)
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Mug UK » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:38 pm

As nice as it would be to list all the HD patched and/or upgraded titles, part of the 'war of words' was that we are never allowed to mention ULS or Dbug on the site as long as we live (or something along those lines) which is why Klaz (to keep the peace) moved all of his titles to his own site. To be honest, I'm not that bothered what's said anymore as it's all one-sided sniping and no-one in AL gives a monkeys any more - all water off a duck's back to me and many others within AL.

The above is my final word on the whole subject of it all, so try not to dig any deeper HS as you'll only get into trouble for 'collaborating with the enemy' on the other forums that they frequent/run/own - I can feel it's my turn for yet more mud-slinging in my direction once this is read too but I really am passed caring :)
My main site: http://www.mug-uk.co.uk - slowly digging up the bits from my past (and re-working a few): Atari ST, Sega 8-bit (game hacks) and NDS (Music ripping guide).

I develop a free Word (for Windows) add-in that's available for Word 2007 upwards. It's a fix-it toolbox that will allow power Word users to fix document errors. You can find it at: http://www.mikestoolbox.co.uk

User avatar
bullis1
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2301
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:32 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby bullis1 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 6:49 pm

I was going to talk more on the subject, but mid-way through typing it I decided it wasn't even worth it.
Member of the Atari Legend team

User avatar
Heavy Stylus
Atari Super Hero
Atari Super Hero
Posts: 776
Joined: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:59 pm
Location: Exeter, UK
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Heavy Stylus » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:06 pm

Ok Mug - I understand. Really. As you already know it's my intention to sit firmly on fence on this matter - after all, like many others I'm interested in the projects of both parties. I wasn't trying to cause any trouble or dig up the dirt - so I'll leave it at that. My big mouth has previously got me involved in the flak before (as you know)and I don't intend for it to happen again. :oops:

Anyway... back to the topic, when the AL doors are reopened for submissions then I'll try and do my bit to help on the side. Again - I'm not siding with anyone, but I *do* find the AL site a useful resource (as well as DBug's new site with it's automation/dbug disk search engine) and I'm happy to contribute where possible.

Group hug? :wink:
http://www.rgcd.co.uk
The Essential Discmag for Retro Gamers!

http://www.myspace.com/heavystylus
Usual myspace crap.

http://tinyurl.com/heavystylus
Facebook

User avatar
bullis1
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2301
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:32 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby bullis1 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 7:58 pm

Heavy Stylus wrote:Group hug? :wink:


Errr.. no thanks.

Heavy Stylus wrote:Anyway... back to the topic, when the AL doors are reopened for submissions then I'll try and do my bit to help on the side.


The doors are always open my friend. For the games section, at least.

EDIT: I am well aware that it is not easy to submit info for a game that isn't in the database. If you or anyone wants to add a game to the databse, then just PM or email me or another member of AL. We can add the entry for you, and then everyone is free to add more info to the entry with the appropriate link.
Member of the Atari Legend team

User avatar
Mug UK
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11210
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm
Location: Stockport (UK)
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Mug UK » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:26 pm

If you can create a list of all the stuff on the Stax disks you've found that's not on AL into one nice list, then either myself, Bullis or anyone else in AL for that matter can create the entries dead easy. If you list what menu disk each one is on, then this makes the screenshots a lot easier too.

We're keeping a tally of all the changes we're making behind the scenes so, when we've reached a particular total, there will be a news update. Meanwhile I'm going to write some news about Picross ST on the page as I was the person demoing the game at AC-2008 whilst Shadow gave his speech / presentation about it. Damn good puzzle game it is too - there was a special release made for AC-2008 of the game and I even got to take a look inside the source code and point out where my GFA Filelinker could improve things here and there. If they use it, it will be an honour (like it is when it's used in Paradize titles). Not bad for something I wrote in '94 :)
My main site: http://www.mug-uk.co.uk - slowly digging up the bits from my past (and re-working a few): Atari ST, Sega 8-bit (game hacks) and NDS (Music ripping guide).

I develop a free Word (for Windows) add-in that's available for Word 2007 upwards. It's a fix-it toolbox that will allow power Word users to fix document errors. You can find it at: http://www.mikestoolbox.co.uk

User avatar
bullis1
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2301
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:32 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby bullis1 » Tue Apr 22, 2008 8:36 pm

muguk wrote:If you can create a list of all the stuff on the Stax disks you've found that's not on AL into one nice list, then either myself, Bullis or anyone else in AL for that matter can create the entries dead easy. If you list what menu disk each one is on, then this makes the screenshots a lot easier too.


I inended to look through those menus this past weekend but I had computer troubles. Sorry.
Member of the Atari Legend team

User avatar
Mug UK
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11210
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm
Location: Stockport (UK)
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Mug UK » Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:10 pm

OK will leave it in your capable hands Bullis1 - if you need an extra pair of hands, I'll see what I can do.
My main site: http://www.mug-uk.co.uk - slowly digging up the bits from my past (and re-working a few): Atari ST, Sega 8-bit (game hacks) and NDS (Music ripping guide).

I develop a free Word (for Windows) add-in that's available for Word 2007 upwards. It's a fix-it toolbox that will allow power Word users to fix document errors. You can find it at: http://www.mikestoolbox.co.uk

User avatar
lotek_style
Mod(ul)erator
Mod(ul)erator
Posts: 2371
Joined: Sat May 11, 2002 2:39 pm
Location: germany
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby lotek_style » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:18 pm

It would be extremly cool if you would be able to do something like CSDB .... STDB ... and to intregrate this:

http://bookstore.free.fr/Atari/

and this:

http://www.st.scene.free.fr/

those databases are both abandoned but I have the DB from the second link... the database was maintained by SHAZZ/MJJ^TRSI.
lotek style / the sirius cybernetics corporation
- musician - ascii-artist - swapper - archivist -

.tSCc. - low-tech atari cyberpunks since 1990
http://www.tscc.de/ | http://demozoo.org/ | http://www.lotekstyle.de/ | http://ymrockerz.atari.org/

User avatar
bullis1
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2301
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:32 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby bullis1 » Thu Aug 14, 2008 2:28 pm

lotek_style wrote:It would be extremly cool if you would be able to do something like CSDB .... STDB ... and to intregrate this:
http://bookstore.free.fr/Atari/
and this:
http://www.st.scene.free.fr/
those databases are both abandoned but I have the DB from the second link... the database was maintained by SHAZZ/MJJ^TRSI.

I don't trust myself to do it because I'm not a demoscene expert but if you're really really keen about it maybe there's some way you could maintain it. I think most sceners and crews who were involved with a game are in the database already. That's only a small fraction of all the sceners however.
Member of the Atari Legend team

User avatar
lotek_style
Mod(ul)erator
Mod(ul)erator
Posts: 2371
Joined: Sat May 11, 2002 2:39 pm
Location: germany
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby lotek_style » Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:39 pm

Well I sure wouldn't do this alone but I would help a lot.
lotek style / the sirius cybernetics corporation
- musician - ascii-artist - swapper - archivist -

.tSCc. - low-tech atari cyberpunks since 1990
http://www.tscc.de/ | http://demozoo.org/ | http://www.lotekstyle.de/ | http://ymrockerz.atari.org/

User avatar
Mug UK
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11210
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm
Location: Stockport (UK)
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Mug UK » Thu Aug 14, 2008 6:34 pm

Might be possible to get the extracted list of all those individuals on the AL database and compare against those on your database Lotek ..
My main site: http://www.mug-uk.co.uk - slowly digging up the bits from my past (and re-working a few): Atari ST, Sega 8-bit (game hacks) and NDS (Music ripping guide).

I develop a free Word (for Windows) add-in that's available for Word 2007 upwards. It's a fix-it toolbox that will allow power Word users to fix document errors. You can find it at: http://www.mikestoolbox.co.uk

User avatar
lotek_style
Mod(ul)erator
Mod(ul)erator
Posts: 2371
Joined: Sat May 11, 2002 2:39 pm
Location: germany
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby lotek_style » Thu Aug 14, 2008 7:10 pm

I have an sql file of:

st.scene.sql.free.fr.sql.zip

it its useful I can mail it :)
lotek style / the sirius cybernetics corporation
- musician - ascii-artist - swapper - archivist -

.tSCc. - low-tech atari cyberpunks since 1990
http://www.tscc.de/ | http://demozoo.org/ | http://www.lotekstyle.de/ | http://ymrockerz.atari.org/

User avatar
Mug UK
Administrator
Administrator
Posts: 11210
Joined: Thu Apr 29, 2004 7:16 pm
Location: Stockport (UK)
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby Mug UK » Thu Aug 14, 2008 8:37 pm

OK if it's not too big, then email away.
My main site: http://www.mug-uk.co.uk - slowly digging up the bits from my past (and re-working a few): Atari ST, Sega 8-bit (game hacks) and NDS (Music ripping guide).

I develop a free Word (for Windows) add-in that's available for Word 2007 upwards. It's a fix-it toolbox that will allow power Word users to fix document errors. You can find it at: http://www.mikestoolbox.co.uk

User avatar
lotek_style
Mod(ul)erator
Mod(ul)erator
Posts: 2371
Joined: Sat May 11, 2002 2:39 pm
Location: germany
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby lotek_style » Tue Aug 19, 2008 7:44 am

btw can the coder please fix the search function... I cannot search for games from the years 2006-2008 (if there are any) :)
lotek style / the sirius cybernetics corporation
- musician - ascii-artist - swapper - archivist -

.tSCc. - low-tech atari cyberpunks since 1990
http://www.tscc.de/ | http://demozoo.org/ | http://www.lotekstyle.de/ | http://ymrockerz.atari.org/

User avatar
bullis1
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Fuji Shaped Bastard
Posts: 2301
Joined: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:32 pm
Location: Canada
Contact:

Re: Atari Legend Expansion...?

Postby bullis1 » Tue Aug 19, 2008 1:05 pm

lotek_style wrote:btw can the coder please fix the search function... I cannot search for games from the years 2006-2008 (if there are any) :)

Most recent releases haven't been added yet I think. I always neglect them and get focused by older stuff. I'll try to get them added but I can't personally fix the search to incorporate 2006-2008.

EDIT: Here are some link to use for now that let you view newer games:
http://www.atarilegend.com/games/games_ ... &mono=&pd=
http://www.atarilegend.com/games/games_ ... &mono=&pd=
http://www.atarilegend.com/games/games_ ... &mono=&pd=
Member of the Atari Legend team


Social Media

     

Return to “Atari Legend Forum”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests