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ATARI CD-ROM FAQ

Postby Zorro 2 » Mon Sep 11, 2006 2:27 pm

ATARI CD-ROM FAQ (by Loic 12/07/1994)
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1 - What driver should I use with my Atari system ?

There are several drivers available :

MetaDos :
Free software from Atari Corp.
Available from atari.archive.umich or ftp.muenster.de (metads24.zip)

The filesystem drivers support ISO9660 and High Sierra CDs, but not
multisession CDs.
The device driver only works for the Atari CDAR504 connected to the
ACSI bus or with generic SCSI CD-ROMs connected to the TT SCSI port.
(Answer from Julian Reschke)


CDROM.XFS :
Free software (Copyright 1992,1993,1994 Eric R. Smith, Michael Bernards
u. Gunther Leis)
Available from atari.archive.umich and other ftp sites.

This driver is a Mint extended filesystem and works on TTs and Falcons.
CDROM.XFS version <0> 1.04.
The current version (0.7) is said to work on Mint/Multitos > 1.04.
It seems to be true on TTs but it does not work with any Mint version
on my Falcon.


CD-Tools :
Commercial solution from Hard & Soft, Obere Muensterstrasse 33-35,
D-44575 Castrop-Rauxel, Germany, Phone: ++49 2305 18014, Fax: ++49 2305
32463

Includes MetaDOS with GEM-based installation program, audio player with
PCM audio data import (only some drives) and custom devices and
filesystem drivers (support for Atari CDAR504 and generic CD-ROMs
connected to ACSI through host adapter, TT-SCSI, Falcon-SCSI,
multisession support (only some drives)).
(Answer from Julian Reschke)

With CD-Tools, you also have a GDPS module and the program Scan-It that
can handle Photo-CD Pictures.
CD-Tools is in German and costs 99 DM.


ExtenDOS v1.11:
Commercial solution from Anodyne Software, 6 Cobbler Court, Ottawa,
Ontario K1V 0B8, Canada.
Available in UK : System Solutions.

Support ST, STe, Mega, TT, and Falcon. Read ISO9660 and High_Sierra
CD-ROMs. It now runs just fine under MultiTOS with no restrictions;
memory protect is OK, and you can run programs directly from CD. It
also runs fine with Mag!X 2.01, with the restriction that the
EXTENDOS.CNF file must be in the root directory.

Extendos v1.11 costs $29.95(North America).
(Information updated by Roger Burrows / Anodyne Software)


F030_CD :
Fairware from Peter Hilbring, Dietrich Ottmar Straže 16, 59597
Erwitte, Germany
Available on ftp.tu-clausthal.de
(/pub/atari/falcon/systools/f030_cd.zip)

This package includes a BOS driver for MetaDOS, MetaDOS 2.3, a
low level SCSI driver (TT & FALCON) and a program named
cd_explorer as exemple of the access of the low level driver.
(Info from Vincent Lefevre)

I've just tried these drivers on my falcon with an Apple
CD-300 cdrom and it works without problem.


ICD Pro :
Old versions came with a MetaDOS driver named ICDCDROM.BOS.
The new ones comes with a mint extended filesystem.


Egon CD-Utilities :
Commercial solution from ???; Available from several german
shops (Softhansa Gmbh, Untersbergstr. 22, 81539 Munchen, Tel :
089/6972206, Fax : 6924830)

Multisession MetaDos driver with audio-CD player.

Egon CD-Utilities costs 79 DM.

If you have some experience with this new driver, mail me.


2 - What discs are available ?

There are five Atari specific CD-ROMs :

GEMini CD-ROM :
From Walnut Creek CDROM, Suite 260, 1547 Palos Verdes Mall, Walnut
Creek, CA 94596, USA, Phone: +1 510 674-0783, Fax: +1 510 674-0821,
Email: info@cdrom.com, Ftp: ftp.cdrom.com
Available in Germany from Ingenieurburo Praefcke, Holtzvogtkamp 55,
24220 Flintbeck, Phone: (04347) 7531.

You can find the index of the GEMini CD-ROM on atari.archive.umich.edu.


Bernd Lohrum CD-ROM :
From Bernd Lohrum, Schlossbergstrasse 36, D-66440 Blieskastel, Germany,
Phone: (0171) 4210222

There are two CDs from Bernd Lohrum :
Drachenstarke software : 300 Mb
Tigerstarke software : 500 Mb

Each CD-ROM costs 69 DM (59 DM for MAUS net users).


Wohlfahrtstatter CD-ROM :
From Wohlfahrtstatter, Irenenstr. 76c, D-40468 Dusseldorf, Germany,
Phone: (0211)429876.
This CD-ROM costs 89 DM.


Power CD Volume 1 :
From Compo.
This CD-ROM costs 79 DM.


You can also use all the ISO-9660 CDs that exists for the PCs. You won't
run the PC programs but you will access all the text, pictures, and sound
files on it.
The discs already tried are :

Corel Artshow 91 :
~ 1000 scans of paintings (like Manet, Van Gogh, ...) in 16 and 256
colors PCX files;
All the images from the 91 Corel draw contest in CDR and DIB format;
some midi files.
The PCX and DIB files can be read with Dieter Fiebelkorn's Gem-View
3.xx .

Clipart Warehouse

Compton's New Media M.O.S.T. CD-Roms :
Doctor's Book of Home Remedies
KGB-CIA World Fact Book
The Pill Book
The King James Bible
U.S. Presidents

You can view all these M.O.S.T. CDs with Brian Grier Perkp's
program. (MOST.ZIP, the demo version is on ftp at
Atari.archive.umich.edu).

3 - Can I use Photo-CD on my Atari ?

Of course You can !
To have full use of the photo-cds, you'll need a multi-sessions drive and
driver and also a program that can handle PCD files.

CD-TOOLS :
The driver from Hard & Soft can read multi-sessions discs and have all
the needed stuff to handle the Photo-CDs.

ColorDisc PCD :
Commercial software from Color Concept, Im Alten Breidt 4, D-53797
Lohmar Breidt, Germany, Phone: (02246) 7132

This program allows you to manipulate the photos on your Photo-CDs, and
save them on hard-disc. It handles Portfolio CDs.
If my understanding is good, it works with metados and a special BOS
file (both included).
It also includes a CD-Audio player.

A demo version is available at ftp.tu-clausthal.de.
ColorDisc PCD works on TTs and Falcons and costs 99 DM.

Studio Photo :
Commercial software from Eurosoft.
This french program can manipulate Photo-CDs.

Gemview v3.xx :
Shareware from Dieter Fiebelkorn, Gr￾ner Weg 29a, W4370 Marl-Brassert,
Germany, Email : fiebelko@bonny.informatik.uni-dortmund.de

Gemview is also capable of handling PhotoCD's. Only in two resolutions
(Base and Base/4 I think)

4 - Can I play Audio-CDs on my Atari ?

Of course You can !

The following programs are available :

CD-TOOLS :
The driver from Hard & Soft includes a player for CD-Audio discs. The
drive must understand SCSI2 instructions(Or CDAR504 or the Apple
CD150).
.

ColorDisc PCD :
It also includes an audio Player.

Audio CD Master 3.0 :
Commercial software from It's All Relative Software, 2233 Keeven Lane,
Florissant, MO 63031, USA.

This program can play CD-Audio discs on SCSI2 and Nec drives. On
falcon and with some drives, it allows you to control and pipe your CD
audio sound into the Falcon for DSP effects using software like the
Audio Fun Machine that comes with your Falcon 030.

Audio CD Master 3.0 costs $29.99 US, postpaid, worldwide.

Audio CD player 2.0 :
Older shareware version of Audio CD Master 3.0 from Nima Montaser, P.O.
Box 52127, Ottawa, Ont. K1N 5S0, Canada

Does not work on my falcon.


5 - How do I program the CD-ROM drive ?

Some bindings exists to access the cd-rom drive. They can be found on
ftp.muenster.de (under \pub\atari\Programming\CDBIND01.ZIP).
They can be only used with some drivers (CD-TOOLS can be used, CDROM.XFS
not).


6 - Appendix

These are some users configurations :

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TT, MultiTOS 1.04, CDROM.XFS
TT, MultiTOS 1.08/9, CDROM.XFS v.0.7
TT, MetaDOS

These do not work:

TT, MultiTOS 1.08/9, CDROM.XFS <0> ICD MicroSCSI -> ICD AdSCSI+ -> NEC CDR-37
but the first host adapter in the chain has nothing to do with driving the
CD-ROM, its for a hard disk. The AdSCSI+ also has a hard disk running from
it as well as the CD-ROM

Drive : NEC CDR-37

Software :

ICDCDZ2.XFS as supplied on the ICD Pro utilities disk. This only seems to
work under MiNT <= 1.04. None of the other freely available CD-ROM drivers
(MetaDOS etc.) seem to work. I haven't tried Extendos or CD-Tools.

For audio playing, I'm using Nima Montasser's 'Audio CD Master 3v0'. This
is the commercial release of the AUD_CD20.ACC audio CD player. Both work
fairly well for me, but I haven't got all the features to work yet.

In order to CD Player configuration to work (the default NEC CDR-37 one
didn't work! with AUD_CD20.ACC ) I contacted NEC(UK). They very kindly
sent me a copy of their 'SCSI 1 Spec' free of charge. This is a 90 page
photocopied document which lists all the SCSI 1 commands for a CD-ROM and
what they do. I'm sure its pretty out of date now, especially as NEC must
be onto SCSI 2 by now.
I used the SCSI.PRG from the ICD Pro disk to send SCSI commands to the
CD-ROM to get the combination right.

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Atari Falcon030, 4MB RAM, 127MB Internal IDE drive, 270MB external
SCSI drive, Viper 105S Tape Streamer.

Drive : NEC 2xi

Non-working drivers: MetaDOS 2.3 (no BOS drivers for Falcon).
ICD Pro Utilities (didn't see the drive at all).
Atari CDROM driver, v0.6 (gave read errors).

Working drivers : ExtenDOS v1.11 (commercial, available in the UK from
Systems Solutions, price about 30 pounds).

Discs : Gemini Atari CD-ROM.
Cover disk from a PC CD-ROM magazine. The files read OK, but obviously
the PC-specific executables do not run. I got loads of TIF pictures etc
off of this disk.
The NEC 2xi is about the same price as an Apple CD300 (160 pounds + VAT).
But people seem to have had less hassle getting the Apple drive running.
I chose the NEC because is an internal drive, so slotted into my
mini-tower comfortably.


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TT030 4 Mb ST Ram, 4 Mb TT Ram, 210 Mb HD
Mint (1.04) + MultiTOS

Drive: NEC 210 (also known as NEC55j?)
(double speed SCSI internal drive)

Driver: CD-Tools 1.08 from Hard&Soft Computerzubehor GmbH

DOS discs tried: - The Best of Demo (Comptec Multimedia)
contains lots of GIF/BMP/MOD/TXT files
- Monster Media issue 2 1993 (by Monster Media?)
contains also lot's of GIF/BMP/MOD/TXT files
- TOP 101 shareware programs (came along with the drive)
hardly usable, only DOS stuff.
- Music Box 1994 (Powersource inc)
tons of MOD and VOC (about same as WAV) sound files.
Atari discs tried:
- DTP Grafiken (by Werbedesign Schutz)
contains tons of clipart files in IMG and (DOS) PCX
format, disc was made for Atari and DOS

Other drivers I've tried are several earlier releases of Metados from
Atari, a modified Metados for the Falcon and some XFS drivers for
Mint/MultiTOS (ICD and Atari).

Most of them work OK but for some discs (for example the DTP Grafiken disc)
the older drivers cannot cope with the large amount of files in a
subdirectory (with DTP Grafiken there are folders with over 700 files!)
Clicking on the folder icon just doesn't open the folder...
The driver from Hard&Soft seems to work for all of my current CD-ROM discs.

The XFS driver for Mint/MultiTOS is slow... The Metados drivers seem to
buffer much more data, problem with Metados is that it's supposed NOT to
work with Mint/MultiTOS. However, I haven't got any problems yet.

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TT030, MetaDos, Apple CD300
But it seems that the TT does not recognize a media change, and I get
some "not-responding" messages. After clicking <CANCEL> the loading is
performed perfectly.

>I chose the NEC because is an internal drive, so slotted into my
>mini-tower comfortably.

It is very easy to remove the Apple CD300 from it's casing. It just holds
an Sony CDROM player which can then be mounted in a tower without any problems.
(I've done so) The casing can then be used to hold a old HardDisk which was left
over from a upgrade to be able to transfer data between friends (Works perfectly!)

PS. I bought my Apple CD300 here in the NL for about Fl.470,- which is ca. $250
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TT, MagiX 2.00, MetaDOS 2.30
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Postby DarkLord » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:27 pm

5 Atari specific CDROMs?

Surely thats not been updated in a long, long time?

There are many more than that...
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Postby Zorro 2 » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:51 pm

I meet you to complete this old doc from 1994 mister DarkLord.
This "Sticky" has been creating for update of course...
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Postby DarkLord » Mon Sep 11, 2006 3:59 pm

Zorro 2 wrote:I meet you to complete this old doc from 1994 mister DarkLord.
This "Sticky" has been creating for update of course...


Ah, I see. Thanks for the update! (BTW, just DarkLord or even Ron is fine). :)

Here, I've got:

Gemini (you have already listed)
Crawly Crypt vol 1
Crawly Crypt vol 2
Moving Pixels
Bird of Prey
Atari Mega Archive 2
Suzy B's Software Treasury (2 CDs)
Space CD Library 1, volume 1
All Things Falcon
Atari Gothica (6 CDs!)

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Postby Zorro 2 » Mon Sep 11, 2006 4:06 pm

Ok Ron :wink:

But... it seems a FAQ for drivers of Atari CDROM.
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Postby Bnicke » Tue Sep 12, 2006 9:06 am

How about Spin?
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Postby simonsunnyboy » Tue Sep 12, 2006 10:01 am

Ehmm I strongly suggest removing the link to ftp.tu-clausthal.de.
Our local ftp site doesn't have an Atari section for at least 6 years. It was already off when I stated my studies here back in 2000!
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What do I need?

Postby happysad » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:30 pm

Ok, I have :-

A Mega ST4
A SCSI interface
An Apple CD300 SCSI CD-Rom drive.

What (free) software do I need to get them talking?

A link would be nice.

I thank you

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Postby bripilot » Thu Mar 15, 2007 8:38 pm

Depending on which SCSI interface you have, you'll need the driver software for that, as well as Metados. Metados is free and you should be able to use it to get your CD Rom working.
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Postby simonsunnyboy » Thu Mar 15, 2007 9:57 pm

MetaDOS isn't very good - infact it has severe problems when you eject CDs and change them. Not to mention it only understands really old ISO9660 compliant CDs. It hickups on almost every modern compatible disk and my experience was that you can't run any .PRG, .APP or anything from a CD with MetaDOS.
It least it did on my Falcon so I don't recommend it.
If you can, get Extendos!
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Postby Mark_G » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:02 pm

Hello,

Got the same problem.

With metados I cannot read some CD's, and with CDROM.XFS under Mint they don't give any problems. Unhappily it dont work with the latest revision of freemint, or I do something wrong.

Also Metados don't work good with the Scsi driver for the dynaport network adaptor.

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Postby [ProToS] » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:03 pm

you can add this for spin! conf on this faq if you whant
http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=72811#72811
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Postby Mark_G » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:10 pm

Hoi Protos,

I've done my setup like that, but the dynaport and CD rom are still incompatible. Asked some time ago also to Uwe and Roger Burrows.

The only valable solution they could give is to switch to 'Extendos'.

Didn't do it yet.

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