Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby bjjones37 » Thu Aug 05, 2010 6:56 pm

Just out of curiosity, when you say ST-Basic, do you mean the Atari or the Metacomco version?


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wongck wrote:question is... are there any more developer of this product at that company?


That's more or less the same question i asked. I suspect its dead in the water. Its fallen behind the windows development and extremely unlikely they would waste any time on it.

Also, after seeing the sample files I see now the product as you put it seems to fit right in line with today's mentality, buy a 3ghz machine and rely on that, performance and efficiency doesn't factor into their programming model. I'll take back what I said earlier, $35 is too much, the company should release it as freeware and cut their losses. Heck, its been unavailable for some years so they aren't out anything in reality by giving it away. I'd also recommend ST-BASIC over it, at least ST-BASIC has a real compiler (not p-code), as the LDW compiler produces binaries that will run much faster and way more compact. :D

Sorry if sound negative about it, but BASIC is what it is, but there are better options if one wants to actually produce usable applications with a BASIC language on the ST.
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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby wongck » Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:42 am

My understanding of Basic is that it was not meant to be fast but a tool for to start off beginners in the right directions of programming.
If anyone wants speed, it's assembler or C.
And now, just use brute raw power.... 8 cores CPU.... :roll:
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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby lp » Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:08 pm

bjjones37 wrote:Just out of curiosity, when you say ST-Basic, do you mean the Atari or the Metacomco version?


Sir charles is the expert on ST-BASIC and LDW.

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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby lp » Fri Aug 06, 2010 2:16 pm

wongck wrote:My understanding of Basic is that it was not meant to be fast but a tool for to start off beginners in the right directions of programming.
If anyone wants speed, it's assembler or C.
And now, just use brute raw power.... 8 cores CPU.... :roll:


That was the original intent of BASIC. When it first came out it didn't have a compiler. However, it has evolved some over the years and some versions have full compilers. Also one can add assembler to BASIC and accomplish the same thing, so it becomes a matter of preference in the end.

Only time BASIC becomes a problem is if you want to write system level stuff like drivers, then I'd for sure agree its not suitable for that sort of project.

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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby charles » Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:22 pm

i love computer programming and gone thru a large deal of oddities to gain a wide span understanding of the language(s).

true basic should be able to handle the most difficult to the simpleist chore,,
but the arguemental standpoint is now we are up against man and machine

can't have a program without programmer
can't have a programmer without a program

assement of proper application should be done by the programmer themselves knowing that
there own limitations define the boundries of the objective.


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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby wongck » Sat Aug 07, 2010 11:49 am

lp wrote:That was the original intent of BASIC. When it first came out it didn't have a compiler. However, it has evolved some over the years and some versions have full compilers. Also one can add assembler to BASIC and accomplish the same thing, so it becomes a matter of preference in the end.


yeah like visual basic in the windoze world. lots of funny appz done using it. :lol:
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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby lp » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:16 pm

charles wrote:i love computer programming and gone thru a large deal of oddities to gain a wide span understanding of the language(s).


Exactly why you waste 9 years and get no where. Pick one and master it.

true basic should be able to handle the most difficult to the simpleist chore,,
but the arguemental standpoint is now we are up against man and machine


The language itself imposes limitations, even speed can be considered a limitation.

can't have a program without programmer
can't have a programmer without a program


You can download a program and not be a programmer.
You can be a programmer and never actually write a program.

assement of proper application should be done by the programmer themselves knowing that
there own limitations define the boundries of the objective.


You also need to know the limitations of the tools, and one must master those tools, its not enough to know only your own limitations.

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learn to ask

i forget


Stop trying to write techno-babble. It makes you appear off your meds. :lol:

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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby lp » Sat Aug 07, 2010 5:22 pm

bjjones37 wrote:Just out of curiosity, when you say ST-Basic, do you mean the Atari or the Metacomco version?


Since charles seems more inclined to write gibberish I'll try to answer this. Far as I know LDW went to version 2.x and I think it can compile both versions. I have looked at the output of LDW and it uses standard DRI libraries. I was impressed with it even though its old as the hills.

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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby wongck » Sun Aug 08, 2010 11:51 am

lp wrote:Exactly why you waste 9 years and get no where. Pick one and master it.


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Re: Does anyone happen to have True Basic?

Postby thomasB » Mon Aug 23, 2010 9:04 pm

Among my boxes of 1040 stuff I have True Basic with original discs and manuals. Haven't been into the boxes for a while.


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