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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby Atari74user » Tue May 29, 2018 9:13 pm

Yea, I saw he was made aware of my comments on his forum but he hasn't offered to help, and Dal hasn't responded to my PM asking if he had objections to a mirror going up - which with the issues before with Exxos mirroring things seemed wise to get before approaching Exxos.


Yeah that was me, hope you don't mind. Exxos was posting about it, he stated he approached Dal, but it seemed you were really keen to get things sorted, so made him aware. Really appreciate the effort!
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby mikro » Wed May 30, 2018 7:08 am

Just for the record, I converted FreeMiNT's wiki (originally in MediaWiki format) to github's wiki quite easily -- mostly done by public scripts. IMO this is the best place to preserve the wiki, another private/temporary hosting site will sooner or later disappear.

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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby Grabulosaure » Mon Jun 04, 2018 2:34 am

Here is a mirror of the wiki : https://temlib.org/AtariForumWiki/index.php/Main_Page

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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby mfro » Mon Jun 04, 2018 5:11 am

mikro wrote:... IMO this is the best place to preserve the wiki, another private/temporary hosting site will sooner or later disappear...


Not sure if this will be the best place in midterm future anymore. This one makes me a bit uneasy: https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/3/17422 ... ion-rumors

If this is true, I don't see a too bright future for github anymore.
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby Rustynutt » Mon Jun 04, 2018 7:26 am

mfro wrote:
mikro wrote:... IMO this is the best place to preserve the wiki, another private/temporary hosting site will sooner or later disappear...


Not sure if this will be the best place in midterm future anymore. This one makes me a bit uneasy: https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/3/17422 ... ion-rumors

If this is true, I don't see a too bright future for github anymore.
Microsoft has a tendency to turn anything they touch into unusable crap sooner or later. Should be rather called "Midas-Soft".


So, back to SourceForge?
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby joska » Mon Jun 04, 2018 9:57 am

mikro wrote:Just for the record, I converted FreeMiNT's wiki (originally in MediaWiki format) to github's wiki quite easily -- mostly done by public scripts. IMO this is the best place to preserve the wiki, another private/temporary hosting site will sooner or later disappear.


I must admit that I don't like github wiki. Like the rest of github it's not very usable for non-developers, mediawiki-wikis are much easier to use and navigate for "normal" users.
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby AnthonyJ » Mon Jun 04, 2018 10:13 am

Grabulosaure wrote:Here is a mirror of the wiki : https://temlib.org/AtariForumWiki/index.php/Main_Page

READ ONLY


Looks like a good mirror, ty.

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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby mikro » Mon Jun 04, 2018 8:12 pm

joska wrote:I must admit that I don't like github wiki. Like the rest of github it's not very usable for non-developers, mediawiki-wikis are much easier to use and navigate for "normal" users.

Maybe it's because I didn't bother really with the overal UX. There's plenty of beautiful wikis on github. One just needs to customise the index on the right to something usable (instead of the current raw search of wiki page titles).

When having a good navigation, the wiki is pleasure to update -- everything done via the UI and if you want to do some serious changes, you can clone it as another git repository.

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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby wongck » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:22 am

mfro wrote:If this is true, I don't see a too bright future for github anymore.
Microsoft has a tendency to turn anything they touch into unusable crap sooner or later. Should be rather called "Midas-Soft".

It is true.
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby catmando » Tue Jun 05, 2018 10:40 am

Grabulosaure wrote:Here is a mirror of the wiki : https://temlib.org/AtariForumWiki/index.php/Main_Page

READ ONLY


Great work, maybe this can be dropped back on the original server now?
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby Atari74user » Tue Jun 05, 2018 6:53 pm

Yep, good work all!
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby Gaiyan » Tue Jun 05, 2018 7:05 pm

Grabulosaure wrote:Here is a mirror of the wiki : https://temlib.org/AtariForumWiki/index.php/Main_Page

READ ONLY


Thanks. Appreciate it.
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby mfro » Sat Jun 09, 2018 7:48 pm

wongck wrote:
mfro wrote:If this is true, I don't see a too bright future for github anymore.
Microsoft has a tendency to turn anything they touch into unusable crap sooner or later. Should be rather called "Midas-Soft".

It is true.
MS bought GitHub for over 7 billions dollars making the 3 founders billionaire. It on Bloomberg.


... and it appears that released a landslide (towards gitlab): https://monitor.gitlab.net/dashboard/db ... 90d&to=now

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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby dhedberg » Sat Jun 16, 2018 8:31 pm

Grabulosaure wrote:Here is a mirror of the wiki : https://temlib.org/AtariForumWiki/index.php/Main_Page
READ ONLY

Thanks! Any chance of making this the official wiki with write-access? What's Dal's view on it?
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby Grabulosaure » Sat Jun 16, 2018 11:28 pm

dhedberg wrote:
Grabulosaure wrote:Here is a mirror of the wiki : https://temlib.org/AtariForumWiki/index.php/Main_Page
READ ONLY

Thanks! Any chance of making this the official wiki with write-access? What's Dal's view on it?


I made it read-only out of respect for the authors.

The best solution is to fix the original wiki. AFAIU, the database is sane. Maybe reinstalling MediaWiki could be sufficient.
I don't know MediaWiki well enough to really clone the original site. Templates seem broken and the import is visible in page history.

For write access... I could enable it, with new users, if everyone agrees, but alterations would have to be manually copied back to the original wiki when it will be fixed.

Alternatively, I could add an empty wiki as temporary storage for new content. But it needs people willing to add content.

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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby wongck » Sun Jun 17, 2018 2:58 am

It's not a mirror if it contents are updated.... it becomes more up to date than what's it mirrors.

I dunno....

May be a temp empty wiki for the new content that will need to be added back to the original wiki when ( when, if or whatever) it get corrected and back online.
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby dhedberg » Sun Jun 17, 2018 11:56 am

I agree that it wouldn't be a great idea to open it up for write-access if Dal's going to fix the original, but we've been waiting for that to happen for a while (years?) and I frankly don't think Dal has the time, so if he'd agree to let somebody else take over the Wiki, I think it'd the best solution.
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Re: Wiki dead?

Postby LynXX » Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:45 pm

Nice work! How did you do it, did you have access to the original DB? I had in mind a similar thing by fetching the content via the API from the original site but never got around to do it...

+1 on opening write access, it's been broken for more than one year now and there's no news despite multiple contact attempts, so in my opinion there's no point in waiting more... If it didn't happen in 1+ year, it won't happen any time soon.

If for some reason the original wiki gets back up, then the DB can be exchanged back and put back on the original server, I guess.

Also, how can we make sure that doesn't happen again? Could the database be exposed / exported regularly somewhere for people to do external backups? Could the control over the hostname and the server shared among multiple people?

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Re: Wiki dead?

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Hi, if i can help...What is the storage space needed ? and bandwidth ?
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