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calimero wrote:I always wonder if this is true: * 16MHz 68000 was not available until 1990.? * (so this kind of ST upgrade like Troed and Exxos did would not be possible before 1990.?; just like Mega STe...)
1st1 wrote:No, E-ST was not the answer, it was quite incompatible as it used to have a kind of self designed MMU for memory protection/virtualisation.
calimero wrote:I really disagree: ST got great application software in late 80s and early 90s - software much better then PC counterparts!!! Just compare Signum to WordPerfect... or GEM Ventura to Calamus
calimero wrote:I always wonder if this is true: * 16MHz 68000 was not available until 1990.? *
joska wrote:calimero wrote:I really disagree: ST got great application software in late 80s and early 90s - software much better then PC counterparts!!! Just compare Signum to WordPerfect... or GEM Ventura to Calamus
Yeah, but at the same time as the ST had a few good word processors, the PC had heaps of them. And while the ST had Calamus, the PC did not only have Ventura but also the biggest DTP program of them all - Pagemaker. It was very simple - even when the ST was competitive hardware-wise it only saw a fraction of the software development that the PC and the Mac did.
calimero wrote:I always wonder if this is true: * 16MHz 68000 was not available until 1990.? *
Atarieterno wrote:1st1 wrote:No, E-ST was not the answer, it was quite incompatible as it used to have a kind of self designed MMU for memory protection/virtualisation.
Dear 1st1;
Incompatible with what or with whom?
Any true advance could assume a certain incompatibility; Perhaps the TT or the Falcon were fully compatible with the ST series?
A machine similar to TT if it had appeared in 1987 instead of 1990, with expansion ports and a graphics card: it would have been an unstoppable revolution! There could have been born some primitive "Doom" that has influenced so much the fate of the war of computers. From 1987 to 1990 there is a century of difference, speaking technologically and in times of boiling progress.
Regards.
calimero wrote:Like I said: I prefer Signum over WordPerfect, WordStar... or any other DOS, non WYSIWYG "text processor".
I am not even sure that PC had any software capable like German Protext (not UK!) or Slovenian STeve in 80s.
These software was light ahead of anything I saw on PC back in 80s.
calimero wrote:both mention 16MHz 68000 in late 1989
Foxie wrote:calimero wrote:This is really how I feel too. AFAIK Calamus was one of the most advanced DTP packages of the time, more advanced than anything on the IBM. It seemed to support certain font kerning features that still aren't implemented in Windows or OS X: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calamus_(DTP)
Foxie wrote:calimero wrote:In practice, I feel the IBM was absolutely crippled by its lack of mouse and lack of a GUI. Text-only software is extremely limited. You could use an Atari word processor today easily. It would feel similar to a modern package. But could you use DOS versions of Wordperfect today? No way! Basically the IBM was a $6000 typewriter, if that.
1st1 wrote:them with an electronic typewriter, so any secretary accepted it more easy as a PC. As they have special keyboard layout for all wordprocessing tasks they are easy to use, not necessary to know too much CONTROL/ALT keyboard tricks. But they mostly cost more than USD 6000...
Foxie wrote:In practice, I feel the IBM was absolutely crippled by its lack of mouse and lack of a GUI. Text-only software is extremely limited. You could use an Atari word processor today easily. It would feel similar to a modern package. But could you use DOS versions of Wordperfect today? No way!
Foxie wrote:Basically the IBM was a $6000 typewriter, if that.
calimero wrote:What IBM did with PC was atrocity!
In lack of GUI each program set his own set of shortcuts!
... but wrongly use Ctrl as main shortcut key instead of Windows key...
darklight wrote:I don't think it was IBM's place to impose UI guidelines on developers.
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