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What modern OS you using with your newer computer ?

Windows XP
2
3%
Windows 7
7
9%
Windows 8, 8.1
2
3%
Windows 10
17
22%
Linux
17
22%
MAC OS
23
29%
Something else
1
1%
I use more than 1 OS
9
12%
 
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Postby AtariZoll » Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:55 pm

First, I apologize for putting Windows to first places in poll - that's simply because as I know it is most used.

I think that we are this years at some crossroad situation with modern OS selection. What I experienced are pretty big changes in diverse popular releases, and they affect often Atari emulation and Atari support a lot. Just few examples: full screen work of Steem 3.2 became problematic in Win 8 , so it needed some serious rework. Tried this days to go on Internet with some older browser ? I tried Firefox what us in Mandriva 2008 (disabled updates intentionally) and it was almost useless. Lot of security messages, not working pages, sites. Similar is even with IE in Win 7.

So, we need some newer OS, newer basic SW for it, for everyday activities online. And of course newer HW, otherwise it will not work at all. But then, we face a lot of problems with older SW.
Other important thing is selecting OS, what is best for our needs, habits, our beloved SW, even work (at home) in some cases.

This thread is intended for relaxed, if possible talk about reasons why, what. About positive and negative experiences, but please, let stay on ground and avoid some fan boy attitude, big words about some evil companies and like. Also, I don't see why some should come here with something like: "I don't need PC, MAC, my Falcon (Milan, whatever) does all for me' - sorry, this thread is not about it. Actually, I will say simply: if your computer can not play at least DVD, some SD MP4 (up to 1024px x 704px) video it is not modern computer. So, no even some older PC talk.

I have recently some negative surprises with Ubuntu, for instance. And it is one of, what I use. So, will say couple words about:
Never seen complexer OS installing so easy and fast (ISO files are about 1-1.5GB) . If you have faster HD, SSD after 10 minutes you can go on Internet - everything is set - well, I guess only if you have some not exotic MBO. And v. 17 shuts down in 1 sec. Nice things. Ubuntu Software system is great, easy to use, installing new SW - what is compiled specially for Ubuntu version is piece of cake. But are some strange things at right top of Desktop - whatever I click - Power, Sound, Network icon, same dialog appears with same options, just different layout. Maybe it is because my MBO is not well supported, but it was better on Ubuntu 16.xx . And yes, I installed 17, because 16 just went not usable, and reinstall did not solve problem with Hatari - there is no sound with Hatari 2.0.0 - and I used Ubuntu build claimed as good for that Ubuntu version .
Somehow I have impression that they are not so careful with all this, like some years ago. What to expect ? Maybe will go way what Red Hat, Mandriva did - commercial preferred, free version support much less care ?
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Postby wietze » Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:20 pm

Im a big proponent of open systems, therefore I feel much more comfortable with *Nix than Microsoft products. Coming from using Linux mostly, movement to using MacOS felt like a very smooth transition; and for daily use I wouldnt like to go back to either Windows or Linux.

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Postby joska » Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:55 pm

Linux, because it suits my needs. I'm not passionate about modern computers or OS'es at all and spend as little money and time as possible.
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Postby mfro » Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:09 pm

Banned Windows for Linux from all my computers at home like 15 years ago and never looked back. Even my wife (being everything but a computer enthusiast) got used to (and likes) it.

I still have to work on Windows at work from time to time and it manages to make me angry every time do.

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Postby Wayne123 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:52 pm

I use Windows 7 and Linux Mint 18.1 on my newer computers, I have a couple of Macs also but I use Windows for photo and video editing, I have Windows on my 40TB media server but I want to transition it to Linux. I am not a fan of Windows 10.
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Postby KLund1 » Thu Nov 30, 2017 11:58 pm

My Main PC is multi boot from XP, Vista, 7, 8.1, 10, & Ubuntu. I like to flip from experience to experience. There are programs I use that seem to work better in one OS than another. All data is stored on separate universal drive. I Use Win98SE on a separate machine to make original media of 360K 5.25", or 720K 3.5" discs for retro machines(last ver of Win to support those old drives). I like Ubuntu, but often still have trouble installing programs, and ad blocking in browsers, imo, is still not as good as in Win world. But getting better.
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Postby AtariZoll » Fri Dec 01, 2017 9:10 am

Considering Win 10 - I had it installed, and that was problematic from first moment. Could not install older GFX card driver, just because some wanted that I buy knew (AMD for instance, in cowork with M$) - so I had no brightness, contrast settings - they said that set it on monitor :D But I solved install of older driver and CCC somehow. Then all those updates - "Don't turn off your computer" - hey, I need to go away quickly, and don't want my computer let on power over 15 hours for nothing. Power on, and it says 'working on updates', and it may take 30 minutes on fast computer. And all it happened min 1x per week. After some 6 months it just accumulated some errors and became unusable. I know that they used my computer as testing platform, especially over night. Once I see 70000 new files created on C .
On other computer, what is mostly backup, and not much used it was installed longer. Of course, updates happened there too. And in some period they updated networking often, combined with personal settings - it always resulted in destroying network settings, so I needed to set them again and again. At one moment I said: enough ! And back to Win 7. Disable all updates.
So, I asking Win 10 users here, what are their experiences, especially with updates ? Is there way do disable them ?
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Postby Dal » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:33 am

I think a better question to have posed was "What OS do you use on your main machine?". This would be a little more direct - and this is how I interpreted the question, otherwise I would have ticked the "I use multiple OS" box and that doesn't really help you.

That aside, I have used Macs for the past 12 years as my main day-to-day machine. It covers my basic work requirements, communications with the outside world, music (mainly recording and editing live sessions), photos and acts as a springboard (via Remote Desktop and ssh) so I can manage the servers within my company and those of my clients. It has been a solid platform - it works and never becomes adversely affected by updates. I trust Apple as a company with my personal data (because that's what the premium price is really paying for) and they have never let me down with support. I have had entire machines replaced and out of warranty repairs free of charge in the past. It's for those reasons, I will always keep a mac as my main machine.

Sure, I have a nice Windows machine I use for gaming and a bit of ham radio stuff - but this is a really well tricked out monster with enough GPU and CPU power to run the London Underground so I can enjoy games that use immersive hardware like the Oculus Rift and gaming hardware. I also use Windows professionally to develop and host client applications - so the Windows desktop normally evokes "work mode" in me. If I need a dedicated black box to perform a specialised function (like this forum), it's Ubuntu all the way (I was always a Debian advocate) - it's a "set-and-forget" platform for me.

If I want to break out into some retro escapism, then my emulators are on my Mac. Hatari, BeebEm, FS UAE and Fuse are all installed and will be fired up in those occasional moments when the pangs of nostalgia hit.

Then we have TOS... which I only use because those pangs of nostalgia are only sometimes satisfied by firing up an old piece of hardware that you've looked after and cherished. The whirs, the smell and the tactility is something that an emulator will never get close to.
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Postby AtariZoll » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:32 pm

Dal wrote:I think a better question to have posed was "What OS do you use on your main machine?". This would be a little more direct - and this is how I interpreted the question, otherwise I would have ticked the "I use multiple OS" box and that doesn't really help you.
...

I was in dilemma to go on multiple choices, or that 'I use multiple OS'. Later prevailed just because I want to see how many people using that way, to say so. As see, some wrote little about it beside voting.
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Postby Dal » Fri Dec 01, 2017 12:42 pm

Yup - understood. Always an interesting topic though, eh?
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Postby dhedberg » Fri Dec 01, 2017 11:23 pm

I've had a PC ever since Windows 98 was released. In general I've been very happy with it. A wealth of software and hardware with well supported drivers is the main reason I'm still on Windows I guess. I've stayed away from some of the Windows releases such as Vista and 8.x. Since a year ago I'm now a quite happy user of Windows 10. Don't appreciate the introduction of "Apps" in the Windows environment, but with Windows 10 comes some great improvements as well, such as the integration of GNU bash (finally Windows has a shell worthy its name).

Have been using Visual Studio for most high-level programming as it provides a decent development environment. Throughout the years I've had Linux installed on my computers as well. While Linux excels in some areas it has also given me quite a bit of headache with lots of configuring to get things running, non-supported hardware and lack of software and games (yes, I do play a game occasionally and it's usually the type of games that play the best on a desktop computer with a mouse). So eventually I gave up on Linux and settled with Windows only. Tried Mac OS a few times, but I get mostly frustrated when I can't figure out how to do things I know how to do in Windows. Can't blame Mac OS for that, it's just that I'm used to Windows. Would I have used Mac OS for the last 20 years I'd probably feel the same if I tried playing around with Windows.

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Postby leech » Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:29 am

I use Linux mostly, specifically Debian. I do dual boot Windows 10, for gaming. But like most, I tend to get frustrated by drivers, and updates.

I noticed almost the same behaviour between Windows 10 and macOS. When doing a major upgrade, you got through a download, prepare, start reboot, installing updates... reboot, install more... welcome to updated computer...

Both the Mac and Windows 10 took about an hour and a half of downtime to update.

Compare this to a Debian based distribution, or just about any other Linux distro. You run an update, and unless it is a core library or there kernel, no reboot is necessary. I even install needsrestart packages so most services will just restart without killing your desktop. And even if you do need to reboot, it takes less than a minute.

Now that Steam works on Linux not to mention all the emulators and a ton of native games, there are only select few that I deem worthy of tolerating Windows for.
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Postby wongck » Sat Dec 02, 2017 4:54 am

I am using win 10.
i find that Microslop have improved on their patches updates & upgrades, as those are downloaded in the background while using it.
It takes days, you can see the status of the download on the update status screen, but in no way competing for resources with you. Most small patches do not need to reboot so I do not even know it is done. The major creators update, yes.... a reboot is needed, I just ask it to patch and shutdown and then I go to bed. Powering it up the next day takes few minutes more before I can use it.

leech wrote:I use Linux mostly, specifically Debian. I do dual boot Windows 10, for gaming. But like most, I tend to get frustrated by drivers, and updates.

I noticed almost the same behaviour between Windows 10 and macOS. When doing a major upgrade, you got through a download, prepare, start reboot, installing updates... reboot, install more... welcome to updated computer...


The issue that MOST of you are facing... updating is over an hour of downtime is because your user case is different.
You hardly use Win 10 and so when you use it, it is the only chance for it to download & patch. And if your Win 10 use is short, it may not finish what it does and so continue the next time. IDK if it resume or dl the entire patch from beginning.

It is exactly like my 10 yr old son experience with Win 10, who only use it for gaming. Turn on Win 10, load game and play. The game use all resources and so Win 10 do not have spare capacity to do patching - download/install. When it becomes mandatory to do the patch ( one day it will ) then Win10 will force itself to compete with the user for resources... and my son will complain that suddenly his games does not work or slow or not responding. So the trick is just turn Win 10 on and leave it on for an hour or so, so that it can do what it needs to do for the updates and patches.

As for drivers... unless you keep on changing main components of your PC, it should only need to be done once.
Again your use case may not be suitable for it.
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Postby joska » Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:18 pm

I'm using Windows 10 at work, that's 8+ hours a day. IMO it's the best version of Windows so far, and I believe I've used all of them since 3.0. That does not make it perfect though, far from it. I can confirm that there is a lot of downtime. Mostly due to updates, but also due to unstable behaviour. I could write a long list of stuff that simply does not work as you'd expect. I get a new laptop every other year and each of them have their own set of annoying issues. I get enough of this at work, so at home I simply avoid Windows.
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Postby DarkLord » Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:47 pm

Use Kubuntu Linux on my laptop (main) but I do have a Win7 box just for the wife and daughter.

Forced/beaten/imprisoned/coerced into using Windows at work... :(

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Postby leech » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:00 am

wongck wrote:I am using win 10.
i find that Microslop have improved on their patches updates & upgrades, as those are downloaded in the background while using it.
It takes days, you can see the status of the download on the update status screen, but in no way competing for resources with you. Most small patches do not need to reboot so I do not even know it is done. The major creators update, yes.... a reboot is needed, I just ask it to patch and shutdown and then I go to bed. Powering it up the next day takes few minutes more before I can use it.

leech wrote:I use Linux mostly, specifically Debian. I do dual boot Windows 10, for gaming. But like most, I tend to get frustrated by drivers, and updates.

I noticed almost the same behaviour between Windows 10 and macOS. When doing a major upgrade, you got through a download, prepare, start reboot, installing updates... reboot, install more... welcome to updated computer...


The issue that MOST of you are facing... updating is over an hour of downtime is because your user case is different.
You hardly use Win 10 and so when you use it, it is the only chance for it to download & patch. And if your Win 10 use is short, it may not finish what it does and so continue the next time. IDK if it resume or dl the entire patch from beginning.

It is exactly like my 10 yr old son experience with Win 10, who only use it for gaming. Turn on Win 10, load game and play. The game use all resources and so Win 10 do not have spare capacity to do patching - download/install. When it becomes mandatory to do the patch ( one day it will ) then Win10 will force itself to compete with the user for resources... and my son will complain that suddenly his games does not work or slow or not responding. So the trick is just turn Win 10 on and leave it on for an hour or so, so that it can do what it needs to do for the updates and patches.

As for drivers... unless you keep on changing main components of your PC, it should only need to be done once.
Again your use case may not be suitable for it.


It isn't even the changing of components. Some drivers like to have their own updater/installer outside the MS one, and when Windows 10 likes to do network priority for some applications over others it becomes annoying.

Example is the Geforce Experience from Nvidia trying to download at the same time Steam is downloading. Steam even blocks Windows update. I can't even do normal browsing at times when Steam is downloading an update in Windows 10. It seems to be preparing us for the death of Net Neutrality or something. Ha, maybe they should go back to BSD's network code.
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Postby calimero » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:09 pm

.
! rant ahead !
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All today OSs are bad copy of PUI - Parc User Interface, from late 70s.

...and they are all crap.

Xerox from computers made typewriters. Apple, Microsoft... did not even bother to copy advance features.

Douglas Engelbart vision of computing went to oblivion... everybody understand only 'mouse' :(


Beside of problem how we interact with computers, store and retrieve data, completely different, even bigger, problem is:

Image
https://vimeo.com/82301919

and this is simple INSANE!!!
just look at Google


What need to be done:

1) data should be free, not tied to particular program (XLS, DOC, PSD...)
2) there should be no "programs" like exist today but only 'functions' that can do something with data (much like pipes on unix but on larger scale)
3) OS should also expose interface to medatada (only recently Mac OS X start to care e.g. from what URL you did download something). Apple solution to this problem is to make iTunes, Photos... and bunch of other special applications for each type of files (music, pictures...) when in reality such separtion is stupid and useless (mp3 also have jpgs cover and music can have videos). OS should take care of this at OS level, there should not be separate, special apps for exposing nad manipulating metadata.
4) everybody should be able to search all his data that he left on twitter, facebook, google, via universal functions and not via interface that Google, Facebook or Apple made for you...


Today computer world did not change (move) much from 80s and 90s. It is still in infancy and it get more and more complicated every day with any real advantage.
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Postby wongck » Sun Dec 03, 2017 3:20 pm

calimero wrote:.1) data should be free, not tied to particular program (XLS, DOC, PSD...)

well, i created a XLSX file on win 10 and store it on my NAS. However, my son wanted to view it on his phone, so he uploaded it to Goofgle Docs and used his phone to edit it. I used it on Chrome for a while and wanted to format the page breaks, but Google sheets did not have that so I download it to open in Excel, make page breaks and uploaded it back to Gooogle and shared it.

Same data file ... works on Microslop and Gooffle platform.... and on the Apple iOS and my Android well.
Probably works on some Libre Office or OpenOffice for Linux.

IDK... is it getting there?
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Postby calimero » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:32 pm

wongck wrote:
calimero wrote:.1) data should be free, not tied to particular program (XLS, DOC, PSD...)

well, i created a XLSX file on win 10 and store it on my NAS. However, my son wanted to view it on his phone, so he uploaded it to Goofgle Docs and used his phone to edit it. I used it on Chrome for a while and wanted to format the page breaks, but Google sheets did not have that so I download it to open in Excel, make page breaks and uploaded it back to Gooogle and shared it.

Same data file ... works on Microslop and Gooffle platform.... and on the Apple iOS and my Android well.
Probably works on some Libre Office or OpenOffice for Linux.

IDK... is it getting there?

I would not like to spread "offtopic" here but I see that you did not understand me:

You are still bound to "application" and what Microsoft, Google or Apple allow YOU to do with your data inside XLS file with their applications.
Each of this applications have particular set of functions for manipulating data inside XLS file format.

Please do watch Alan Kay presentation of Xerox system (link in my previous post): there is NO APPLICATIONS and there is no FILE FORMATS at all! There is set of function for manipulating data (In video that I linked there is animation of bouncing ball that can be edited with "predefined" functions for editing bitmaps but at same time you can REPROGRAM and EXPAND these function in realtime!). As far as I know, there is no such technology today (Microsoft did try to mimic these functionality with OLE maybe, and yes, there are scripting languages in SOME applications but this should be really OS wide capabilities...).
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Postby calimero » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:49 pm

And regarding sharing files in today modern world:

if I have on my herdrive file organized in folders like this:

/clients/Commodore/invoice no 145.pdf
/clients/Commodore/invoice no 146.pdf
/clients/Atari Corp/invoice no 146.pdf
/clients/Atari Corp/invoice no 147.pdf

as soon as I send file "invoice no 146.pdf" to someone via email I will lost metadata "Commodore" or "Atari" (parent folder)!
So "solution" to this problem (if you can not keep entire path, and you usually cannot for multiple practical reason) solution is to keep all relevant metadata in file name (and soon 254 characters in filename on HFS+ become to small!).
I put many "tag" words in filenames so I can find file I looking for by simple typing "tags" in rudimental search (I do not use Spotlight and similar technology since I can not adjust or control them and they often do not found what I am looking for).
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Postby AtariZoll » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:02 pm

calimero wrote:.
...and they are all crap.
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What need to be done:
1) data should be free, not tied to particular program (XLS, DOC, PSD...)
2) there should be no "programs" like exist today but only 'functions' that can do something with data (much like pipes on unix but on larger scale)
3) OS should also expose interface to medatada (only recently Mac OS X start to care e.g. from what URL you did download something). Apple solution to this problem is to make iTunes, Photos... and bunch of other special applications for each type of files (music, pictures...) when in reality such separtion is stupid and useless (mp3 also have jpgs cover and music can have videos). OS should take care of this at OS level, there should not be separate, special apps for exposing nad manipulating metadata.
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Today computer world did not change (move) much from 80s and 90s. It is still in infancy and it get more and more complicated every day with any real advantage.


1. Data is often free, but SW handling it is not always - I guess you just did not express self properly. The reason why M$ invents new DOC versions is simple: freeware SW appears, what can work with current formats. But that needs time. So, 'greedy capitalists' are forced to invent new formats to keep company alive :lol:

2. Pretty much wrong: there are functions used a lot - as part of OS (Trap #1 - where it is used ?) . DLLs in Win. And yes, they do something with data - for instance send it to network. What is program ? It is code what can have own functions, call OS functions, or shared libraries with some special functions not present in OS. You can make very good SW which uses only OS functions and nothing else. Your idea is result of being not programmer :D
+ basically it is matter of convention what we call program, and what function. For instance some program can be called from another program, and that is then actually rather function than separated program.

3. OS changes slowly - much faster is if some SW (program) does it - you install it and works. If OS should do it, you need to install update of OS instead program - and what's the point of it ? To make it more complicated without any benefit. By your logic, Steem emulator should be part of OS - taking another 100000 lines of code, while only 0.1 % of users will ever start it .

I don't agree with more complicated - well not for usage. Ubuntu is extremely easy to use, to install, to install SW in it ...
It will be always more and more complicated because we want more and more functions (your terminology) . Just network code is now 10x longer than complete TOS length. There must be lot of security for instance.
100 years from now they will laugh about how primitive SW of early 21-st Century was. What ? OS installs were only 1-5 GB ? :lol:
Famous Schrodinger's cat hypothetical experiment says that cat is dead or alive until we open box and see condition of poor animal, which deserved better logic. Cat is always in some certain state - regardless from is observer able or not to see what the state is.

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Re: Modern OS-es, pros and contras, experiences with ..

Postby mrbombermillzy » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:06 pm

Interesting to see the different views here.

From my own perspective, I use an HP netbook (as Im right now typing this!) with W10 for general Interweb browsing/downloads, but my main dev machine is in my study room with NO network connection and Win XP on it.

Personally, I dont like W10 much and find most of it irritating. I pretty much lost interest with Windows after ~W7 when W8 and DX basically made my graphics code along with Direct Draw obsolete.

I think as the OS has gone on, it has become more for the consumer of media and less for the creator of it...more obfuscated..more locked down. :(

Why over complicate things? The MS OSes are basically following the lead of MS Office.. Just bring out a new version regardless of necessity and add extra bloat to justify the purchase...and dont say W10 is free..you WILL pay for it.. in one way or another!

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Postby Wayne123 » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:45 pm

calimero wrote:

Please do watch Alan Kay presentation of Xerox system (link in my previous post): there is NO APPLICATIONS and there is no FILE FORMATS at all! There is set of function for manipulating data (In video that I linked there is animation of bouncing ball that can be edited with "predefined" functions for editing bitmaps but at same time you can REPROGRAM and EXPAND these function in realtime!). As far as I know, there is no such technology today (Microsoft did try to mimic these functionality with OLE maybe, and yes, there are scripting languages in SOME applications but this should be really OS wide capabilities...).


That was a very interesting video, I will watch the other linked ones later today.
Thanks for the links.
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Postby alexh » Mon Dec 04, 2017 9:57 am

If I exclude WORK then the O/S I use most these days has to be Android. The phone when out and about. The tablet and the Kodi set-top-box when at home.

The days of using a laptop or a desktop for non-work related activities has passed (for me).

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Postby nagual » Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:05 pm

I actually use on every day basis TOS in different flavours - MagiC, Naes/Geneva or single TOS, depends of my needs.
Because I don't have any real Atari hardware and, I'm afraid, I can't afford any of my previous configurations, I'm forced to use Windows and Linux as host for Atari emulators.

My current configuration is laptop with very custom-made Windows XP installation - using for STEmulator (N.AES/MultiTOS) and MagiC PC - I'm using all the time, and don't need any of software for Windows, everything I need I do it on Atari.
I don't have any network on this laptop

Second laptop is Linux Mint with Aranym, using him for Internet (browsing mostly) and all this network stuff, but when's possible using network over Aranym, it's work and I'm satisfied.


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