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uk shops to sell games?

Postby neotokyo » Sat Sep 15, 2012 10:27 pm

hi
was wondering if anyone knows of any shops that sell old / second hand atari st games in the south of england? preferably around sussex area. just picked myself up a second hand atari ste 1040 but I have no games, I have heard that some games are incompatible with the ste models? is that correct? i'm looking to get a copy of notator or cubase too as i'd like to hook up my music gear.
also I have a really noob question so pardon the ignorance but when powering down my atari do I just flick the switch on the back? I couldn't see anything in the os for shutting it down. I guess i'm so used to windows I sort of expect there to be some sort of shutdown function in the operating system :D

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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby wongck » Sun Sep 16, 2012 1:18 am

Congrats on getting an Atari.

neotokyo wrote:when powering down my atari do I just flick the switch on the back?

yes.
In Windows, it is mostly due to the need of flush your files to the hard disk so you do not loose any data, also need to park your hard disk (newer hard disk are self parking).
On a Atari running non-multitasking OS, there not much worry about flushing files and there is no hard disk.
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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby exxos » Sun Sep 16, 2012 9:54 am

neotokyo wrote:hi
was wondering if anyone knows of any shops that sell old / second hand atari st games in the south of england? preferably around sussex area. just picked myself up a second hand atari ste 1040 but I have no games, I have heard that some games are incompatible with the ste models? is that correct? i'm looking to get a copy of notator or cubase too as i'd like to hook up my music gear.
also I have a really noob question so pardon the ignorance but when powering down my atari do I just flick the switch on the back? I couldn't see anything in the os for shutting it down. I guess i'm so used to windows I sort of expect there to be some sort of shutdown function in the operating system :D



You may not be aware, though a lot of games are on FTP servers, you can download them onto a floppy on your pc in most cases. It can get a bit tricky as the PC drive needs to be MPF920 SONY (good support for extended floppy formats). There are special programs for copying the game images onto a pc floppy, Im sure someone on here knows the programs to do it, its not something i do much myself.

There are normally lots of games on ebay if you wish to buy them. I would just look out for a job lot, most single games can go for a pound or so, but never really sell, so cheap enough to look out for a job lot and buy them cheap that way.

You do not need to worry about shutting down a Atari, the OS is in chips, pretty indestructible, just power off and thats it. Its not like these fragile PC contraptions ;)

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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby kristjanga » Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:47 pm

welcome and congrats with your Atari :cheers:

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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby neotokyo » Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:31 pm

cheers for the welcomes guys :)

wongck wrote:yes.
In Windows, it is mostly due to the need of flush your files to the hard disk so you do not loose any data, also need to park your hard disk (newer hard disk are self parking).
On a Atari running non-multitasking OS, there not much worry about flushing files and there is no hard disk.


exxos wrote:
You do not need to worry about shutting down a Atari, the OS is in chips, pretty indestructible, just power off and thats it. Its not like these fragile PC contraptions ;)


thankyou for the explanations,makes sense.yea its nice to use something which is a bit more simple and straightforward compared to modern computers.

exxos wrote:You may not be aware, though a lot of games are on FTP servers, you can download them onto a floppy on your pc in most cases. It can get a bit tricky as the PC drive needs to be MPF920 SONY (good support for extended floppy formats). There are special programs for copying the game images onto a pc floppy, Im sure someone on here knows the programs to do it, its not something i do much myself.

There are normally lots of games on ebay if you wish to buy them. I would just look out for a job lot, most single games can go for a pound or so, but never really sell, so cheap enough to look out for a job lot and buy them cheap that way.


yea I had a look on ebay and saw some games that might tempt me ,some well known and highly rated games can go for quite a bit of money it seems. a few that I was interested in were going for around £20 or so! I was kind of surprised they held their value so well. job lots sound like a good idea.
ah I don't have one of those floppy drives ,they look quite cheap though so that might be an option. if I d/l a lot then i'd save a bit of money in the long run,are there any specific brands and types of disks I need to be using? I did try to download a copy of cubase lite as its officially free now.followed instructions in a thread on this forum, copied onto disk but the atari didn't recognise it so I figured it was either the disks or the disk drive on the pc that was a problem.

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Postby Mug UK » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:07 pm

Have a look at Beeka's auction he's just put on eBay?

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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby exxos » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:18 pm

neotokyo wrote:cheers for the welcomes guys :)

ah I don't have one of those floppy drives ,they look quite cheap though so that might be an option. if I d/l a lot then i'd save a bit of money in the long run,are there any specific brands and types of disks I need to be using? I did try to download a copy of cubase lite as its officially free now.followed instructions in a thread on this forum, copied onto disk but the atari didn't recognise it so I figured it was either the disks or the disk drive on the pc that was a problem.


ST floppys are DSDD 720K, can be a bit hard to find, though most PC drives will not take the extended formats the ST can use. Most floppys are done in disc images, you need a program to copy them to the PC floppy drive. Copying files onto a PC floppy does not always work on the Atari. Slightly different formats. I am sure someone can suggest the programs needed to do it, Some good info on the below links.

http://www.atari-shrine.co.uk/help/conv ... disks.html

wiki/index.php?title=Make_disk_Tutorial

http://atari-forum.com/posting.php?mode ... 3&p=217488

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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby nativ » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:27 pm

One shop with a few Atari bits and pieces

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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby neotokyo » Sun Sep 16, 2012 8:12 pm

thanks for the links

exxos wrote:ST floppys are DSDD 720K, can be a bit hard to find, though most PC drives will not take the extended formats the ST can use. Most floppys are done in disc images, you need a program to copy them to the PC floppy drive. Copying files onto a PC floppy does not always work on the Atari. Slightly different formats.


yea I found it a little tricky trying to copy across on my pc, i'll have a look at those links. cheers :)
a few things I found when on ebay;

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140851420992? ... 500wt_1288
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140847131548? ... 583wt_1271
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/140849386384? ... 894wt_1271
^these are programs for the atari for disk copying but i'm not sure if this is much good for me? if i'm understanding correct are these just copying from disk to disk?

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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby wongck » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:30 pm

neotokyo wrote:yea I found it a little tricky trying to copy across on my pc

Take a look at the AF wiki on floppy on PC /ST.
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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby 030falcon030 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:16 pm

Hmm I seem to have no trouble writing games to disk from images using ppera's floimg on any of the FDD's that I have (from several PC's over 10 years)
That you need a sony drive is new on me, unless you mean fitting a pc drive into the atari (doesn't it need to be that sony model and have cable twisted, or is that for the falcon? I can't remember).
The odd disk image here and there won't work though I'm not sure if this is due to my STE not being an STFM, the images I downloaded being faulty, bad disks or even if its my pc fdd not being that sony model and not liking the images/formats.
hmmm:/
I have an ste 4mb... with a 20mb powerdrive slimline and a cumana external fdd.
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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby AtariLikerMan0 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:49 pm

Obviously there's Ebay and websites but I guess you're hankering after that 'pure' shopping precinct atmosphere.


Oddly, there's that extra dimension to actually buying from a rack in town. Even with software for an ancient system. I wrote about it, such was the feel.

http://www.remix64.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=8547

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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby AtariLikerMan0 » Sun Sep 30, 2012 10:53 pm

For copying, nice and simple is the Floppy Image And File Transfer Program for Windows - http://atari.8bitchip.info/floimgd.php

Insert your floppy disk, select an ST game ROM image, click to copy and you're ready to roll. The program formats the disk in the Atari standard and the imaged data is simply duplicated without hitch.

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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby wongck » Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:20 pm

Note that most of the USB floppy drive may not work.
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Re: uk shops to sell games?

Postby AtariLikerMan0 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:37 pm

I don't think new boards have floppy controllers any more. Nor can Windows format 720K floppies any more, which I think is a bit of an oversight.

Retro gaming is now big enough for these things to be re-incorporated I think. Windows is full of crap anyway, so it's not as if there isn't the disc room. And floppy sockets tucked in the corner of some boards should also be OK. Not as if they need inventing.


I'm fine booting up an old Compaq for the disk drive but I think new units should come with facilities as well. (Maybe disk will come back in fashion, just in time, as with the LP.)


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