Look, what I found on our beloved Internet:

[beastie]

As I guess it is about ppera? Hmm... I can't understand. It's easy to tell someone is egocentric, especially that most of us are more ore less egocentric. Come on - it's not a serious argument. It's sophism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophism).

beastie <3 pperror
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pperror-fanboi

That's good, man! Yes, citing wikipedia could be considered stupid. ROTFL so much. Quite a stylish joke, indeed For me - it's ok. But please, don't move to wiki with this thread now

And what you think about that Ppera? Could it be?

[jd]

Jeez,

Some people must be bored.

ppera still supports the atari scene - GREAT

Dbug still support the atari scene - GREAT

Someone (singular!!) lost all their porn on their PC due to ppera's Foimg so are severely pissed and wants to vent their anger, so they say it's crap on Dbugs website.

Everyone else who uses it thinks it's great (well i do). It's not a comercially supported product with licenses through microsoft etc. so you must treat it with care. If not you can lose all your porn on your PC

We are all adults (i think) so can make our OWN minds up about how good (or not) pperas tool is. The comment about partition loss has just made me more careful when using it that's all.

so can we chill

[sh3-rg]

It's more pperror's plans to somehow inform on D-Bug that's the issue, not what D-Bug wrote months ago on their site... and some people don't even think that's wrong. That's worth discussing.

[unseenmenace]

It's more pperror's plans to somehow inform on D-Bug that's the issue, not what D-Bug wrote months ago on their site... and some people don't even think that's wrong. That's worth discussing.

I agree with you there SH3, its rather petty. Ppera, don't stoop to his/their level, just ignore them. As you have seen there are people here that appreciate your work so don't get upset about a minority that want to insult the likes of you and I.

[Marakatti]

ppera: I also would like to point out that I understand your anger, but please do consider your actions as they might have much worse future for all Atarians.

If you report them, it could be a start of Atari-site hunting and every big site like Atari Legend, Atarimania or soon to be released Guardians of the PaST might get hunted down.

This kind of action will damage Atari-users more than you think and also make preserving Atari-history and it's games and applications much harder. So if someone slags you down, please consider not to answer in a way that wipes the whole active Atari preservation partition down. It really isn't a way to go.

[simonsunnyboy]

From what I've been told by ggn, D-Bug are just annoyed and pissed at a whole and therefor decided to take the website down for the moment. So in this respect I can confirm that no action has been taken from the outside. Seems it really was a D-Bug decision to take it off...

[ppera]

Let's try to not overdramatize this. Nobody wants to stop D-bug. On my site are too some adapted games for DL. Because they can't talk normal, accept reasonable arguments, I don't see what other can do. They can continue on other place, as it goes.

If it is true, what Simonsunnyboy says it is really pitty. Yet another example of their character. What is simpler: removing couple lines, or shutting whole site down? But who knows, maybe we will read soon that ppera did it all, or at least that he is the only culprit...

Site hunting: several Atari site is closed or removed illegal content in past. Don't see that D-bug case will change much in all this.
Must saying again: I don't care for their stupid insults. Problem is average user who will believe nonsenses.

Little history: I posted at Atariage info about new Atari SW - movie player with 25 fps on fullscreen. Then ggn come that I should look around first, that Atari movie player exists etc. When I replied that my player is very different, and that I know about other SW he started that is angry on me because Drive Image deleted his Win partition. I can only say that if it really happened reason may be: he was uncareful , his PC has HW problems or he had virus. There is no bug in program's writing part. Nobody other reported partition loss or any other data loss in 2 years, how long prg. is released. It was about 1.5 year ago.
But now, they claim that Floppy Imager causes not only partition loss but 'wipes whole partitions without chance for recover'.
I can only say that it is simple impossible that floppy handling program delete some parts of hard disks. Windows has some protections too. Only chance would be my intentional wiping code hidden in prg, or again: virus.
When I told that wiping takes lot of time and that it can not work from Windows, which constantly accesses C partition CJ replied that FloImg deletes FAT tables. So, they changing their accuses as they like... Even deleting FAT by some bug in floppy handling prg. is practically impossible. And it is possible to recover datas with some knowledge and specialized programs (unlike by wiping whole partitions).
So, D-bug, please remove stupid insults from site, check viruses on PCs and remove them from your heads.
Then maybe will be less thread like this...

[rian_ata]

I've followed this dicussion for a few days and it feels like reading a real life soap

It seems this thread is settling down and that's good, cause I think ppera as well as DBug are valuable to the current Atari scene and I only hope they will be preserved for the future!

ppera, I also am one of those people who uses your software, especially FloImage. I've never experienced any issues to the Windows XP installation it runs on. As of now I've imaged more than 400 disks of a Dutch PD catalogue which will be published in the near future to everyone.

DBug (for the hardisk and Falcon compatible game fixes) and ppera (for his software and hardware designs), thank you and hope to see more releases in the future!

[Mug UK]

So bored of this now - if no-one else wants to say their thing then I'll lock this thread before it becomes worse. Probably should have nipped it in the bud earlier but hey ho ..

[Zorro 2]

From what I've been told by ggn, D-Bug are just annoyed and pissed at a whole and therefor decided to take the website down for the moment. So in this respect I can confirm that no action has been taken from the outside. Seems it really was a D-Bug decision to take it off...

Special remember when Brume closed is proper website twice a few years ago for the same reasons.
That will never stop !!!

[Tomchi]

... something ...

Hey my fave Mod is back

[Zorro 2]

... something ...

Hey my fave Mod is back

Hi TomChi,

No news, good news !

I come back and return and vacation today, be patient...

[christos]

So bored of this now - if no-one else wants to say their thing then I'll lock this thread before it becomes worse. Probably should have nipped it in the bud earlier but hey ho ..

Hey, I haven't bashed D-Bug yet! Did I pee in a well or something??

[Mug UK]

So bored of this now - if no-one else wants to say their thing then I'll lock this thread before it becomes worse. Probably should have nipped it in the bud earlier but hey ho ..

Hey, I haven't bashed D-Bug yet! Did I pee in a well or something??

Think it would be a miracle if you did ..

Considering the bashing Ppera's been getting over at dhs.nu after it was widely believed that he was to blame for grassing up their site. Amazing how many people just jump onto a bandwagon without checking their facts. Oh well tis the internet for you ..

For everyone else - get whatever wrong facts you have about this situation and any others out in the open as this thread will be locked by tomorrow. Fed up with flame wars on here as that's the only thing that seems to get people posting (it would seem).

[sh3-rg]

For everyone else - get whatever wrong facts you have about this situation and any others out in the open as this thread will be locked by tomorrow. Fed up with flame wars on here as that's the only thing that seems to get people posting (it would seem).

Nah nobody is doing any harm. Forums can't all be bum licking & bigging up all the time, sometimes people disagree about things & discuss them a bit & then get a bit rowdy, it makes a refreshing change

The best moderators are those who keep a watchful eye & pounce when it turns into abuse or something equally nasty rather than locking things up, deleting them or generally restricting open discussion before it's really kicked off. You seem to have a big stick but waving it above our heads won't frighten us We'll come back at ya like a funky ball of tits from outer space.

Put away those fiery biscuits, sir!

pea

[bullis1]

Nah nobody is doing any harm. Forums can't all be bum licking & bigging up all the time, sometimes people disagree about things & discuss them a bit & then get a bit rowdy, it makes a refreshing change

I 100% wholeheartedly agree with this. 'Tis fun. Variety is the spice of life and all that.

[beastie]

As I said. I'm still on Ppera's side and you can call me Ppera's fanboy , cat lover, whatever... I'm on his side as long as I think he has 100% rights to feel nervous that his work was blamed by someone who seems to be jealous or don't have enough knowledge on how Win32 application works... Or maybe it was a kind of joke, which was so hard to understand that should dissapear.

It's impossible to erase anything from hard disk using FloImg, not to mention it's impossible to format the partition, as this software is not even using the appriopriate system calls to format any sector on the harddrive. Come on? I understand him...

... And I'm sure he will not report D-Bug anywhere. He just express how irritating is the whole situation for him. As we know, D-Bug closed their site on their own - it also gives some second thoughts on the whole issue. I would like to believe, someone just make a joke about Ppera's application on D-Bug site - it's impossible he was serious about erasing the data from disk using FloImg.

I think, that for now, the more interesting story is that SSB/Paradize is thinking about quiting the scene . Seems strange things are going one by one - a chain effect or something?

We're for sure drinking to less beer!



(5 shoots, as more seems to be pathological).

Maybe I'm going mad, but I suspect some cheap social engineering games in that situations. Like playing with somebody's feelings just for fun.

Regards,
B.

[Mug UK]

OK, hope those quotes don't come back to haunt you

[RetroGamerUK]

I feel left out having said nothing here, but then my position regarding CJ is no mystery
All I would like to do is raise my hat to Ppera, he should be commended, one empty threat is all it took to close down D-Bug I could never have dreamed of such an easy victory, bravo mate, bravo, if only others could be as strong as you have and stood up to these strange people and their army of sycophants.
I would like to think that this is not just a temporary leave of absence for them, but then we could never be that lucky eh

Oh crap I forgot to turn the "nicey-nicey" filter on in my browser

[Goldrunner]

I can't believe this D-Bug vs the rest of the Atari community is still going on, how many good people has this whole thing driven away from the already small Atari community. I personally don't get involved anymore since life is just to short for this kind of crap, however, I do Sympathise with ppera.

[cb]

D-Bug vs the rest? It depends of your definition of the Atari community I guess. It goes far beyond the gates of this forum.

[Goldrunner]

D-Bug vs the rest? It depends of your definition of the Atari community I guess. It goes far beyond the gates of this forum.

The "D-Bug vs the rest of the Atari community" was not meant to taken so literally Cb, of course there are many who have no arguement with D-Bug at all. My post was mainly to highlight the people it has effected and who have since left the scene.

[sh3-rg]

The "D-Bug vs the rest of the Atari community" was not meant to taken so literally Cb, of course there are many who have no arguement with D-Bug at all. My post was mainly to highlight the people it has effected and who have since left the scene.

I didn't realise D-Bug had done that - who has gone? Would I recognise any names?

pea

[earx]

so this is the infamous dbug vs ppera thing. i still don't get what all the fuss is/was about. can't ppl just do their respective things in peace?

[ppera]

No peace when someone spits on you.
Nothing new here... Close, please.