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Postby 1st1 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 5:40 am

Hello, atari-forum.com is one of the last websites I use which I use which is not encrypted by HTTPS. Could it be changed? Let's-encrypt HTTPS certificate is for free, only needs to be renewed every three month.
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Postby viking272 » Mon Apr 15, 2019 8:23 am

This (Lets encrypt) 3 month renew can also be scripted I believe

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Postby tjam » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:31 am

1st1 wrote:Hello, atari-forum.com is one of the last websites I use which I use which is not encrypted by HTTPS. Could it be changed? Let's-encrypt HTTPS certificate is for free, only needs to be renewed every three month.


But you can't use Atari with HTTPS websites.

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Postby dma » Mon Apr 15, 2019 9:54 am

Could be made optional i guess? Maybe with a profile setting?
(but then configuration with letsencrypt will certainly be less "out-of-the-box")

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Postby emcclariion » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:09 am

then highwire will not work.....
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Postby frank.lukas » Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:51 am

For the old Atari Web Browsers it is not so good. I not know if NetSurf will work with https Sites?
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Postby vido » Mon Apr 15, 2019 12:21 pm

NetSurf works with https sites.

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Postby simonsunnyboy » Mon Apr 15, 2019 3:29 pm

https please in any case. Maybe the http access can be User-Agent locked so it will really only work for old Atari browsers?
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Postby dhedberg » Wed Apr 17, 2019 9:00 am

Besides privacy/integrity/security reasons, what would the main motivation/benefit be for Atari-Forum end-users?
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Re: https for atari-forum.com

Postby vido » Wed Apr 17, 2019 11:23 am

dhedberg wrote:Besides privacy/integrity/security reasons, what would the main motivation/benefit be for Atari-Forum end-users?

That it would not work on most old Atari browsers (which are mostly unusable for this site) and that NetSurf will work slower.

Anyway ... this forum is already unfrendly to Atari browsers and I dont understand that Atari sites dont care much to be browser friendly on Atari platform. I dont know why we should made Atari community sites even more unfriendly?!?

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Postby emcclariion » Wed Apr 17, 2019 2:53 pm

Do we send any GDPR data on this site? I for one just talk about atari's< CAB will open this badly and Highwire has issues rendering correctly.

Netsurf runs like a one legged dog on a Http site never mind a Https site even on a TT....

It this was a site I did banking with then I would worry, but not this site
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Postby PeterS » Wed Apr 17, 2019 3:48 pm

Does anyone know what is happening with the Netsurf Atari CI builds ? They stopped back in February and there was no reply when I asked the users mailing list.

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Postby vido » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:28 pm

PeterS wrote:Does anyone know what is happening with the Netsurf Atari CI builds ? They stopped back in February and there was no reply when I asked the users mailing list.

I noticed that too. I have no idea.
Maybe you should ask again?

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Postby LynXX » Wed Apr 17, 2019 5:41 pm

Besides privacy/integrity/security reasons, what would the main motivation/benefit be for Atari-Forum end-users?


Well for one if it's not over HTTPS anyone can steal your username/password by just listening to the network traffic. If you reuse this username/password combination elsewhere, you're doomed.

Perhaps we should look at the web stats of the forum to find out how many users are actually using an Atari to browse the forums, that may help making a decision?

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Postby penguin » Wed Apr 17, 2019 10:26 pm

vido wrote:
dhedberg wrote:Besides privacy/integrity/security reasons, what would the main motivation/benefit be for Atari-Forum end-users?

That it would not work on most old Atari browsers (which are mostly unusable for this site) and that NetSurf will work slower.

Anyway ... this forum is already unfrendly to Atari browsers and I dont understand that Atari sites dont care much to be browser friendly on Atari platform. I dont know why we should made Atari community sites even more unfriendly?!?


Except NetSurf, no Atari browser was updated for the last 15 years or so. No CSS*, no JavaScript* and unless you go for a real bare bone website design, the classic Atari browser running on Atari hardware simply won't handle a website. I certainly won't go back to a time of table-based layouts with transparent GIFs...

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Postby tjam » Thu Apr 18, 2019 5:27 am

penguin wrote:Except NetSurf, no Atari browser was updated for the last 15 years or so. No CSS*, no JavaScript* and unless you go for a real bare bone website design, the classic Atari browser running on Atari hardware simply won't handle a website. I certainly won't go back to a time of table-based layouts with transparent GIFs...

* Light of Adamas at least attempted to do both...


Well, we're vintage computer users here 8) Same argument goes with everything modern like 3D games etc... Some folks just won't go back in time to play 2D platform shooters. Old classic websites are just fine with atari :D

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Re: https for atari-forum.com

Postby dbsys » Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:59 pm

1st1 wrote:Hello, atari-forum.com is one of the last websites I use which I use which is not encrypted by HTTPS. Could it be changed? Let's-encrypt HTTPS certificate is for free, only needs to be renewed every three month.


I fully agree, atari-forum.com should be HTTPS encrypted for security reasons.

There is no point trying to keep this site compatible to completely outdated browsers.

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Postby simonsunnyboy » Thu Apr 18, 2019 3:46 pm

Aren't there web proxies that filter modern sites down so 90s browsers will render them?
I think I saw something like this on a Youtube video lately in the contxt of browsing old sites in contemporary browsers.

*EDIT* Found it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojT0gQHeyJQ
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Postby vido » Thu Apr 18, 2019 4:29 pm

dbsys wrote:There is no point trying to keep this site compatible to completely outdated browsers.

I think this is the same as using completely outdated computers ;)

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Postby dbsys » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:04 am

vido wrote:
dbsys wrote:There is no point trying to keep this site compatible to completely outdated browsers.

I think this is the same as using completely outdated computers ;)


True. But I think, almost noone browses the web with an Atari these days. It simply does not work well enough.

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Postby vido » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:25 am

dbsys wrote:True. But I think, almost noone browses the web with an Atari these days. It simply does not work well enough.

I do browse with NetSurf on my FireBee. And it dont work well enough because owners of the Atari sites dont care about that. Atari sites should keep Atari computers usable at least I wisit them as I use Atari computers. But with such sites they make Atari computers less usable.

You browse the sites mostly because of the content and not because of the use od the javascript, html5, ...
And if the encription of the Atari forum was not the problem in past 20 years it also wont be now.

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Postby simonsunnyboy » Fri Apr 19, 2019 7:49 am

As I said, https should be atlast an option for those of us not using ancient browsers.
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Postby wongck » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:05 am

vido wrote:I do browse with NetSurf on my FireBee. And it dont work well enough because owners of the Atari sites dont care about that. Atari sites should keep Atari computers usable at least I wisit them as I use Atari computers. But with such sites they make Atari computers less usable.

I use the free sites from Google which unfortunately demands the use of a modern browser. :(
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Postby mikro » Fri Apr 19, 2019 10:09 am

vido wrote:
dbsys wrote:There is no point trying to keep this site compatible to completely outdated browsers.

I think this is the same as using completely outdated computers ;)

This is similar to the native vs. cross compiler development debate. Sure, some like the spirit of working on the actual machine but some prefer the speed and modern tools. It would be wrong if people from the first group would be forcing everyone to use PureC and Devpac just because they enjoy the feeling and let others suffer from much more inefficient tools, in the end leading to halt of their development/atari efforts because they couldn't bare using such ancient and obsolete tools/libraries/debugging abilities.


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