alanh wrote:I'm just outside Chester, and maybe could bring over a Falcon & CT60 & CTPCI to show you with an Eiffel too, unless someone is closer that has a Falcon setup. Anyone ?
I would sure like to take a look at the Falcon with CT60 Alan. What a great machine, quite incredible.
Yeah, so I am quite excited about this case too. I don't know why I never thought of it before? I do a lot of prototyping and especially have produced a lot of laser-cur acrylic models.
I got the idea from looking at the Digital Cowboy modding trays http://www.digitalcowboy.jp/products/ac.html
some time ago, and I knew that I could do better. In fact I had considered designing some PC orientated boxes in Acrylic, as they look ace.
But also, I must mention that TTOwner guy inspired me also to build something new, and getting a busted MSTE off him. I'll enjoy trying to repair this, and its going to be the 1st, but definately not the last Atari machine I put in this case. Clearly electronics is not my main strength, but something that I am keen to learn.
I have spent a lot of time working with electronics guys, and the stuff I have been putting in boxes alately is pretty boring! Everything on a chip. Was fun at 1st, but I miss products like this one, which has a lot of interesting parts to explore and learn about. The Atari is going to look great in a clear case, and I just love those HUGE chips. Especially the 68000 on the MEGA ST... its about the size of a Mars Bar!!!
But how easy is it to access the real electronics. The pins are there ready for tinkering with, and the design of this computer (just like many products of yesteryear) has had so much work put into it by the original engineers, and is a thing of beauty. Really nice and careful layout. I would imagine that they had to route all the tracks manually??
There is something of an industrial aesthetic about it that is really nice. And of course the cool Atari logos on the motherboard. So cool!
It is very nice concept, looking forward to real cases
Thanks a lot. It will look even better soon, as bear in mind that I have some drawing detail work to do, once I am through with the final spec.
You can trust me that this little baby is real. I have a stack of Ataris (well actually only two) that need a new case desperately, and I am going to have a lot of fun trying to mend a Mega STe and see if I can get it working. It has no case, and looks ideal for timkering. Might take me a long time to repair, cos I am planning to learn about these machines as I go. I think this is a really good introduction to electronics, and more fun in many ways. There is a great website called Vezz's Hardware Hacks http://atari4ever.free.fr/hardware/
, which I am sure many or all of you know about already, that seems to have plenty of entertaining mods, and it would be fun to see them, and also make something that allows easy modification. Plus I love the TT/MSTE desktop case.
I had to make a decision, what to make the case look like. There is the MSTE/TT Desktop case, or the uncomplete Falcon040 Microbox case. Personally, I think that the TT style case is more fun, and instantly recognisable, so I have attempted to take elements from this more loosely. The final product will of course have laser etching detail, and other finishing touches. The keyboard for example, will be pretty shiny in clear acyrylic, and I am hoping that when the power light or FFD light comes on, it will create a bit of a cool glowing effect. I'll probably copy some of the old Atari symbols for power and disk etc, you know, the isomentric ones, and etch these on there, and of course if you were to light up the case, these are the main bits that will 'glow'.
If I made it to look like the MicroBox case, it would just be two rectangles off-set from each other, and I dont think it would look so good in perspex, especially as I cannot create curves easily and certain details in acrylic require careful thought. I'll be slotting 3mm plastic sheet laser cut to size into tabs that are approx 2.9mm on drawing. This should leave a tight 'tolerance' fit that means the case will hold together well. I have designed some in-expensive fittings which I will share with you soon, that allow the case to be mechanically fastened using hex head bolts if required. These bots will not be necessary for every day tinkering, but if added will make the case quite sturdy. Personally I will be whipping the lid off from time to time, to play with it, as I cant help my urges to take things apart and tinker. I think it is an illness.
There are some pictures of the Falcon with CTPCI at Guillaume's site
The two shots from different angle shows the PSU & CTPCI hanging out of the Falcon.
Of course he has two PSU, one being used for his HDD. Most people will use only one.
He also has close up shots to the 2 sections of CTPCI.
I like this website, and I contacted the author some weeks ago to congratulate him. Its pretty dedicated, and I had noticed that he has recently added some new machines. Quite impressed, and this guy is still making some neat software. He has also got MSTE with a VME graphics card in it and other neat items.
However, looking that that sorry pile of wires, and a Atari Falcon with its guts hanging out, like some kind of lobotomy gone wrong, is precisely why I want to build this case. I personally think that Jack Tramels penny pinching just was that tiny tiny bit too much in the end, and Atari really should have updated their machines (which were fantastic, and technically stunning) that bit more often. I am guessing that the Falcon030 in a ST style case was originally intended to be a stop-gap, and not Ataris last model... With I am assuming the Faclon040 Microbox as the next model up, and in a desktop case.
Alan. The Falcon 040 had fittings for some kind of add in cards, is this anything like CTPCI, or is CTPI a completely different technology? What cards would the Falclon040 take, if it were produced, and does anyone here actually own a prototype? I know that a couple of prototypes were produced at one time?
Anyway, back to Guillaume's site. He is using by the looks of it 1x IDE or SCSI ZIP, 1x half height 3.5" HD and the CTPCI. The power supply appears to be Mini ATX which I think is 63mm x 125mm x 100mm, so I think I will definitely spec this as one of the PSU's to use in this case. However, with a full set of CT60 add its, it might be better to use the PicoPSU and this would make fitting and tinkering easier. Based on my existing design fitting a Mini ATX would leave approx 50mm of height available on the back right hand corner of a fitted motherboard. A 1U PSU would leave about 60mm height, and I have still to decide where to put the CTPCI, as I need the overall dimensions for the most used cards, such as the Radeons. Also airflow will be more important in these machines, than the regular ST. My TT030 is standard, yet gets pretty hot too. So Mhz means heat loss by the loko of it?
Still waaaaaaaaaaay better than a PC though I'll bet. I may fit optional fan positions at the rear of the case, but personally I will be trying to get away with as little noise and fans as possible!! A little bit different that the PeeCee brigade, who will no doubt be trying to add as MANY fans as possible to their noisy heat boxes. I love the quite Atari. So I have added some inexpensive fan speed controllers to my TT http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3PIN-Resistor-Cable-CPU-Fan-Speed-Reduce-1Pcs-Noiseless-/170632844262?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27ba8293e6
, and with the lower fan speed, iy still tuns cool, but is way quiter.
wthorbjo wrote: bid wrote:
I really will need an idea of the types of cards fitted and specs of their sizes to confirm, and also your thoughts in this? I plan to supply the kit with every concevable option included, so I dont want to make for example the CTPCI fittings out of a huge amount of acrylic as I want to keep cost and weight down, and not everyone will use this (initially). But I can picture in my mind some neat solutions, and putting in relevant screw holes and slots for PCI boards. This would also be good perhaps for ST's with the EtherNEC too. How many PCI's are typically filled? I will try to put room in for 4 slots if it is required, and I require card depth info so that I can draw them in CAD and check fits and function?
To elaborate on my own setup, I would need room for the following:
- Falcon mainboard
- CT60 with CTPCI
- At least one half-height PCI slot, but preferably room for all 4 full-height slots.
- 2.5" HD (can easily be used in a 3.5" bay with adapter, so that's fine)
- 5.25" CD-ROM
- Floppy drive. Original/side position for the floppy would be fine
- Space for a Mega STE/TT keyboard connector (I plan to use a spare Mega STE kb with my Falcon)
Great info. Sure, this is precisely what I have resigned for. I'll upload some pics soon. Obviously not everyone is going to have for example CTPCI, so PicoPSU is a good choice over space hogging ATX. Obviously if someone wants to whack a ST in there then there is plently of room for a med sized ATX. I actually thing that the Falcon with CT60 would look better with a PicoPSU and external power pack (I'm guessing a laptop style black brick?) as any large PSU would cover up the luvly internals with rogue large an bulky PC parts. However for my MSTE which is dead as a dodo, and has no PSU (alongside no case, some missing roms etc etc) the ability to add ATX PSU will be a godsend, and also this is great to power my AdSCSI and a couple of hard drives and flash cards... perhaps an extra floppy etc
I also want the case to be ideal for standard ST, so clearly this machine would not have huge add-ons (unless anyone is making one?). But a ATX PSU or standard PSU can be used. Also move FDD to front on the ST and possiblity to remount external devices, such as 3rd party hard drive inside the new case. This is what I am going to do with my Ladbroke drive and change the old 40MB platter to 1GB ... So in a nutshell, I dont want to make the desktop case too big, as I want this to be as useful as possible to all users. I will try to see if I can fit CTPCI in with 4 slots, but I cant do this until I have drawn it up in 3D CAD, and I need the PCI card macx sizes too.
It would also be great to be able to mount my Hydra (NetUSBee derived) ethernet adapter internally, with some kind of extension cable from the ROM port.
Yep. You read my mind too!
I personally dont like the bare NetUSBee hanging out there to get broken. In fact TTOwner kindly provided me with a broken unit, and I am going to use this to develop a suitable internal mounting position. Can anyone suggest how long the Rom port could be extened with a plug and lead ribbon cable, as I am pretty sure that it would be physically limited by its sensitivity to electronic interference. I initially thought the rear left hand quater would be best, but this would interfere with the PSU (if ATX fitted), and annoyingly it has no mounting holes. So I will probably design a small caddy for it. Perhaps internally fit the USB to front of case, and the LAN to left exterior? I dont want to ruin the front face of the case, so I might consider that USB leads have to be fed under the 12mm front gap under the angled front. This I have created for the purpose of air cooling and making it easy to run cables into the case. I personally will be using this on ST's where I am too lazy to bother wiring up a plug for the extended keyboard lead. But again, I will add a slot for a Mini-DIN or similar to extend a traditional keyboard (as I have done my STe). But for those who want Efiel, I will likely add this to the front right hand side, with the keyboard plug to the exterior.
The only PCI card I will use to begin with will be a (low profile/half height) graphics card, but I would definitely prefer to have room for all 4 PCI slots on the CTPCI, even if this would make the case a little larger and more expensive. Drivers for network cards, USB adapter and others are/could be under development, and I'd want this case to be as futureproof as possible!
My Falcon is not set up right now, but I could pull it out to make some measurements if you need me to.
Please could you do this? It would be very very helpful indeed!
a. The PCI card max sizes (width and length)
b. The height of the CT60 from mainboard surface to its highest point
c. The height again with the Ram fitted
d. Again with the PCTCI fitted.
e. A rough measurement of 4 dimensions giving me the location of the CT60 measured from the back left hand corner of the Falcon Motherboard.
I forgot to mention that I may very well order a second case at the same time, to have in store for a future "super" STFM/STE project. So mark me down for two, if you're counting!
Again, you read my mind. I now realise that I need my trusty STe, and its the only computer I bought from new... when I was about 14! lol.
I cant part with it, so its ripe for having its brains ripped out and some wire modifications and other cool bits that I can admire and ask on the Forum what I have done wrong! I have not started counting yet but the more the merrier! Unlike a PCB I wont need a min order quanity, as setup for CNC will be a lot easer, but obviously there is a lot of work on my end to lay out all the DXF's etc. But even if I was the only one having one, I would still be ordering 2 for myself. But I will be very happy to make a bulk purchase, and obviously this will reduce the part prices. It will of course be self assembly, Ikea style and I will produce some instructions and labelled part numbers / exploded diagram etc. There is gonna be some cleaning of boards though as my ST keyboard and mainboard are very grubby. I am guessing that Isopropyl Alcohol is the way forward?