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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby m0n0 » Sat May 19, 2012 12:43 pm

I've found another webmailer application which works well with NetSurf:

http://blog.ilohamail.org/

It's very easy to install and works with (user specified) POP3/IMAP server.

It's an alternative to the squirrel webmailer.

It has few drawbacks, like an frame problem when saving the settings,... also you need to install the rc3 - the development trunk has problems with the option "mails per page" and therefor shows all mails on one page... which takes very long =)
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby wongck » Sat May 19, 2012 2:43 pm

Hey Mono, great work on Netsurf.
The rendering is fast and very nice.
GUI is great especially using mouse to move the page up/down/left/right without using the scroll bars !!
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby m0n0 » Sun May 20, 2012 1:04 am

GUI is great especially using mouse to move the page up/down/left/right without using the scroll bars !!


That's an netsurf core feature. The atari version doesn't implement it as good as it can be. The best would be to still scroll when moving out of the window... however, that kind of GUI event isn't detected / reported to the core.
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby wongck » Sun May 20, 2012 1:26 am

m0n0 wrote:That's an netsurf core feature. The atari version doesn't implement it as good as it can be. The best would be to still scroll when moving out of the window... however, that kind of GUI event isn't detected / reported to the core.


Nevertheless... I still find it great... I wish my screen for the Atari is touch screen :mrgreen:
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby jfl » Sun May 20, 2012 5:58 am

m0n0 wrote:
GUI is great especially using mouse to move the page up/down/left/right without using the scroll bars !!

That's an netsurf core feature. The atari version doesn't implement it as good as it can be. The best would be to still scroll when moving out of the window... however, that kind of GUI event isn't detected / reported to the core.

Also, you can't scroll up when the window is at the bottom.
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby wongck » Sun May 20, 2012 11:32 pm

Know the limitations and you be fine with it. :wink:
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby MadMax2023 » Tue May 22, 2012 7:05 pm

Yeah the possibility to move the webpage with the cursor is very good 8)

It would be also good to use mouse wheel capability, is there someone who know how to setup it? (i have an usb mouse connected with an usb adapter on the original mouse port)
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby rian_ata » Tue May 22, 2012 9:35 pm

MadMax2023 wrote:Yeah the possibility to move the webpage with the cursor is very good 8)

It would be also good to use mouse wheel capability, is there someone who know how to setup it? (i have an usb mouse connected with an usb adapter on the original mouse port)


Mouse wheel capability is there already. Works on my CT63 with CTPCI with USB PCI card and USB mouse. You need to alter your mint.cnf / xaaes.cnf to enable it.
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby m0n0 » Wed May 30, 2012 8:03 am

Hello,

for those who are interested: Netsurf 2.9 for MacOSX has been uploaded some hours ago... I know there are some Mac OS X users here, so maybe they like to support netsurf by giving it an go with their Apple machine.
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby m0n0 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:48 pm

Hello,

recently there was a feedback request on the netsurf-users mailing list:

http://vlists.pepperfish.net/pipermail/ ... 10917.html

You can find the atari version here:
http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/

(default buil, which means: m68020-60, not fully optimized build)


also, the Framebuffer/SDL version has been fixed in the repository. Now it should work well with any color depth... (previously on 16bits worked on atari, and only with patches).

If someone could compile the framebuffer version, you could try ;)

Maybe I will find the time to compile the framebuffer version...
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby vido » Mon Oct 01, 2012 7:39 pm

I would really like to test but I have only FireBee. This version doesnt run on it.
Is there any chance for the ColdFire version?
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby m0n0 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:06 pm

I would really like to test but I have only FireBee. This version doesnt run on it.


Autobuild configuration isn't for coldfire, I'll ask if it possible to add another auto-builder for coldfire. :)

For god's sake - JavaScript is disabled in the atari autobuilds ;)
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby jfl » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:16 pm

m0n0 wrote:
I would really like to test but I have only FireBee. This version doesnt run on it.

Autobuild configuration isn't for coldfire, I'll ask if it possible to add another auto-builder for coldfire. :)

Yes, please do. I no longer have a working m68k machine either.
m0n0 wrote:For god's sake - JavaScript is disabled in the atari autobuilds ;)

Do you know why?
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby m0n0 » Mon Oct 01, 2012 8:23 pm

Because I manage a different branch for supporting Spidermonkey 1.70 (official version expects Spidermonkey 1.8.5), and it isn't merged into trunk.

(First, see how far the branch will keep on going with the netsurf javascript binding... if it is still working in several month, then there maybe is an chance to get it into trunk)
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby wongck » Mon Oct 01, 2012 11:09 pm

m0n0 wrote:(First, see how far the branch will keep on going with the netsurf javascript binding... if it is still working in several month, then there maybe is an chance to get it into trunk)


Would be great if this can be turned on... The best browser on the Atari gets better !! :D
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby vido » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:04 am

m0n0 wrote:Autobuild configuration isn't for coldfire, I'll ask if it possible to add another auto-builder for coldfire. :)

For god's sake - JavaScript is disabled in the atari autobuilds ;)

It would be really great if that would be possible! I believe the FireBee is the main target of the NetSurf for Atari platform :)
Javascript would be also more than great :)
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby MadMax2023 » Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:52 pm

I tested the last autobuild version.
The graphical user interface is better than the last version known from mOn0 with nicer icons.
The rendering is also good with fine fonts, but maybe it is possible to get the same look with adapted setting in the last normal version for atari.

Except this i have to say that the speed is far slower than the version optimized by m0nO, loading are longer. For this reason i won't use it instead of the last version.
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby m0n0 » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:08 pm

Hello,

I like to tell you that there are now coldfire autobuilds - big thanks to the netsurf team which spend several hours making it work! :)
As the m68020-60 build, this build isn't fully optimized. (Because the m68k-060 build breaks with -O2 flags)

You can download the builds here:

http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/

The netsurf team also build an own toolchain of Vincents gcc cross compiler. It's for building the coldfire executables. It is named m5475-atari-mint, maybe someone is interested in this - because it makes cross-compilation of coldfire packages a bit more easy (hint: no overwritten include files / pkgfiles).

Please try the coldfire build :)

The rendering is also good with fine fonts, but maybe it is possible to get the same look with adapted setting in the last normal version for atari.


That's possible, just set atari_image_toolbar:0
(It's also an faster startup!)

The rendering is also good with fine fonts


I've changed the font package to some font which is much smaller than DejaVu... now it's Bitstram Vera.
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby vido » Wed Oct 17, 2012 9:14 pm

Thanks m0n0, this is great!
I will try it in next days.
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby BlankVector » Fri Oct 19, 2012 3:43 pm

m0n0 wrote:The netsurf team also build an own toolchain of Vincents gcc cross compiler. It's for building the coldfire executables. It is named m5475-atari-mint, maybe someone is interested in this - because it makes cross-compilation of coldfire packages a bit more easy (hint: no overwritten include files / pkgfiles).

Please try the coldfire build :)
Great job, the autobuild feature is amazing, and ColdFire rocks :cheers:
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby jfl » Fri Oct 19, 2012 7:17 pm

BlankVector wrote:
m0n0 wrote:Please try the coldfire build :)
Great job, the autobuild feature is amazing, and ColdFire rocks :cheers:

Unfortunately, these builds do not rock at all for me. They are unbearably slow. Anybody else to confirm this?
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby m0n0 » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:34 am

Unfortunately, these builds do not rock at all for me. They are unbearably slow. Anybody else to confirm this?


Unfortunately, I can not test speed good currently, because I'm on GPRS speed.

Anyway, don't just judge the autobuild by it's speed!

As I said:

    - The builds are not fully optimized.
    - There were several changes to the core which may seem to slow down things right now, but this is considered as an regression by the netsurf developers (maybe not that long - as no one is complaining loudly enough ;)).
    - There is always room for optimization ;)
    - MOST IMPORTANT AND NOT TOLD HERE:: The netsurf team has done a good job pushing the atari port into the auto builder - even more, they also provide an complete toolchain to compile netsurf for coldfire. That made netsurf development with the atari platform in mind much more within reach to those people who want to compile & improve netsurf by them self.

It's all here:
http://git.netsurf-browser.org
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby jfl » Sat Oct 20, 2012 7:03 am

m0n0 wrote:
Unfortunately, these builds do not rock at all for me. They are unbearably slow. Anybody else to confirm this?
Anyway, don't just judge the autobuild by it's speed!

No problem. I'm not judging anything, just reporting my experience. Download times are so long that I simply cannot even test the builds. 32 seconds to display atari-forum.com is a bit too much for my patience. The latest release takes 12 seconds -- which is long too, but manageable.

I'll wait a few days and test a newer build.
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby vido » Sat Oct 20, 2012 1:47 pm

It is true the daily builds are slower as build I use but somehow I have better feeling using them :)
Still I dont have that much time right now to test them more often.
But I really like this to be able to follow the progress.
I am looking forward for new features and optimizations ... :)
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Re: NetSurf GEM Port

Postby m0n0 » Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:16 pm

Hello there,

not many new features - but finally I merged my "get-rid-of-windom" branch into master.

This means one dependency less, and also a more responsive GUI...
Maybe not everything did improve. I hope to have it working well without windom.... but maybe that didn't always succeeded,
it's up to you to test that :)

Now I can concentrate further developments on improvements... (I worked on the windom removal for about 2 month) - if I like to :).

Some things which are really new:
- Full-Text Search is now integrated into the browser window.
- The settings dialog appears as one large form....
- The GUI is more responsive during page loads, because I use evnt_multi_fast now, and I do not limit the
rate of calls to evnt_multi_fast when netsurf is active (like I did with EvntWindom() - which at least took 10ms for each call)

I think I will release some optimized test builds soon.

Until then, please test the autobuilds from here:

http://ci.netsurf-browser.org/builds/atari/

- Please remember to lower the amount of conccurent fetchers under network (2 is an good value)
- And also edit Choices after first run of netsurf and set min_reflow_period to something larger, like 750 or so.
The default value causes to many screen redraws during page load.

Thanks for testing & Greets

Another hint:

The larger you set the minimum font size, the faster is the character redraw.
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