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Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby Dal » Wed Sep 19, 2007 12:08 pm

Does anyone know where I can obtain MagiC 6.2, the Jinnee desktop and NVDI (latest verson... 5.x?).

The Atari Workshop won't respond to my email request and the MagiC OS link on the Heidelberg website sends me to some crappy Soduko page(!). As for NVDI and Jinne, I have had no luck with these at all (strangely!).

I'm currently experimenting with my Falcon 030 setup and want something to compare my FreeMint installation with.

Cheers all!
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby wongck » Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:41 pm

Well Dal, you're in luck.
Look at this post viewtopic.php?f=27&t=17468#p152103

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby nativ » Thu Apr 14, 2011 6:02 pm

I have Jinnee Magic 4 and 5 manual paper. Do these need scanning? Also have outside paper manual, I hope I get this working again!

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby Shredder11 » Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:39 pm

Scans would be great for Jinnee. I did some hefty scan work last year on a few manuals with tons of pages, so I know the work involved sometimes.

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby wongck » Fri Apr 15, 2011 1:05 am

we should archive these at the Atari Doc Archive.... with LP permissions.
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Wed Aug 01, 2012 4:24 am

sorry to bump this old thread but did the jinnee manual get scanned out there anywhere?

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Thu Sep 20, 2012 4:37 pm

More searching for manuals haha :? .

Does anyone happen to have a scan of v5 or v6 for MagiC in English?

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Thu Sep 20, 2012 7:52 pm

Shredder11 wrote:Scans would be great for Jinnee. I did some hefty scan work last year on a few manuals with tons of pages, so I know the work involved sometimes.


I did manage to get the Jinnee manual and have been messing around with scanning it. I've got most of it sussed out, but do you know any tips to keep the file size down? The Jinnee manual is over 120 pages so it would be a massive pdf. I tried lowering the dpi to 150 and that did cut the size down, but it was still around 800kb a page for those I scanned. Seems like a lot for a mainly text manual. I am using xsane on ubuntu for the scanning.

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby nativ » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:01 pm

If you were transferring to the Atari I'd be tempted to use imagecopy and convert to mono XIMG files
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby Mug UK » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:51 pm

TheNameOfTheGame wrote:
Shredder11 wrote:Scans would be great for Jinnee. I did some hefty scan work last year on a few manuals with tons of pages, so I know the work involved sometimes.


I did manage to get the Jinnee manual and have been messing around with scanning it. I've got most of it sussed out, but do you know any tips to keep the file size down? The Jinnee manual is over 120 pages so it would be a massive pdf. I tried lowering the dpi to 150 and that did cut the size down, but it was still around 800kb a page for those I scanned. Seems like a lot for a mainly text manual. I am using xsane on ubuntu for the scanning.


Upload what you have done so far and I'll take a look at it for you. Got the tools (either in work or at home) that I can use to help shrink it (hopefully).
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:18 pm

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Shredder11 wrote:Scans would be great for Jinnee. I did some hefty scan work last year on a few manuals with tons of pages, so I know the work involved sometimes.


I did manage to get the Jinnee manual and have been messing around with scanning it. I've got most of it sussed out, but do you know any tips to keep the file size down? The Jinnee manual is over 120 pages so it would be a massive pdf. I tried lowering the dpi to 150 and that did cut the size down, but it was still around 800kb a page for those I scanned. Seems like a lot for a mainly text manual. I am using xsane on ubuntu for the scanning.


Upload what you have done so far and I'll take a look at it for you. Got the tools (either in work or at home) that I can use to help shrink it (hopefully).


Well it is 6mb so I can't upload it here. Looks like the limit is 3mb. At 800-900kb a page, it gets too big real fast. This is with 150dpi too; at 300dpi it is astronomical.

*edit* PMed you with a link to the file.

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby Mug UK » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:39 pm

Due to the place I work for going for the PCI-DSS certification, I'll have to work on it at home mostly as pendrives and such like are banned in work. But will download it now, take it into work for a pre-working over and then I'll know what to fix when I'm at home.
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Thu Sep 20, 2012 9:58 pm

Mug UK wrote:Due to the place I work for going for the PCI-DSS certification, I'll have to work on it at home mostly as pendrives and such like are banned in work. But will download it now, take it into work for a pre-working over and then I'll know what to fix when I'm at home.


That's great, any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby Mark_G » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:28 am

Hello,

Not a manual, but a good site to learn Magic :

http://jh.junetz.de/shh/magic.php4

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby Mug UK » Fri Sep 21, 2012 8:59 am

I had a quick look this morning and the scan size for each page could be reduced with some simple page-washing (I.e. removing all the background artifacts).

For me to do this easier, I'll need the original scans in picture format and what the original colour of the printed pages were.

Saves me having to export every page from the PDF ;-)
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:36 pm

Mug UK wrote:I had a quick look this morning and the scan size for each page could be reduced with some simple page-washing (I.e. removing all the background artifacts).

For me to do this easier, I'll need the original scans in picture format and what the original colour of the printed pages were.

Saves me having to export every page from the PDF ;-)


Thanks for looking at it. I am not sure about the scan's format. I am using xsane and it scans to a ".pnm" file. Can you work with that type of file? With xsane's multipage project, I can edit the files before combining into the pdf. Maybe it would be easier for me to do the washing?

One other thing, did you think the 150dpi looked ok? I was thinking maybe I should scan at 300dpi.

Thanks again for the help. It would be nice to have this manual as a pdf.

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Fri Sep 21, 2012 12:41 pm

Mark_G wrote:Hello,

Not a manual, but a good site to learn Magic :

http://jh.junetz.de/shh/magic.php4

Regards,

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Wow, that is a good resource to know about. Thanks for the link to it.

Google translate does a good job with translating it too.

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby Mug UK » Fri Sep 21, 2012 4:46 pm

TheNameOfTheGame wrote:Thanks for looking at it. I am not sure about the scan's format. I am using xsane and it scans to a ".pnm" file. Can you work with that type of file? With xsane's multipage project, I can edit the files before combining into the pdf. Maybe it would be easier for me to do the washing?


I can open these PNM fies via a plugin in Paint.NET so that's up to you.

TheNameOfTheGame wrote:One other thing, did you think the 150dpi looked ok? I was thinking maybe I should scan at 300dpi.


I would try a few pages at both dpi settings and see which you're happier with. But if you're going to attempt OCR then the higher the dpi, the easier it (usually) is for the OCR software to recognise text.
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby Mug UK » Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:56 pm

I was sent a PDF @ just under 6.2Mb which contained 9 pages.

It's now <800K in size and that's just with me 'washing' the background away and then individually looking for and removing the artefacts using Paint.NET.

The PDF can be made smaller still with some OCRing.
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby wongck » Sat Sep 22, 2012 3:53 am

Mug UK wrote:I was sent a PDF @ just under 6.2Mb which contained 9 pages.
It's now <800K in size and that's just with me 'washing' the background away and then individually looking for and removing the artefacts using Paint.NET.
The PDF can be made smaller still with some OCRing.


Wow 8O
You should write a how-to on doing stuff like this.
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

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wongck wrote:
Mug UK wrote:I was sent a PDF @ just under 6.2Mb which contained 9 pages.
It's now <800K in size and that's just with me 'washing' the background away and then individually looking for and removing the artefacts using Paint.NET.
The PDF can be made smaller still with some OCRing.


Wow 8O
You should write a how-to on doing stuff like this.


Already did so .. viewtopic.php?f=15&t=19179&p=165847

Eeek, some 2 and a bit years ago now .. mind you I was scanning a lot more stuff back then.

Here's the before:

jinnee_wip_partial - Copy_Page_2.png


Here's the after (page now 90% smaller file size):

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:08 pm

TheNameOfTheGame wrote:
Mark_G wrote:Hello,

Not a manual, but a good site to learn Magic :

http://jh.junetz.de/shh/magic.php4

Regards,

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Wow, that is a good resource to know about. Thanks for the link to it.

Google translate does a good job with translating it too.


Another good resource sans a scanned Magic v5/v6 manual is http://toshyp.atari.org/en/00b.html

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby TheNameOfTheGame » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:10 pm

Wow, that is a big difference Mug. I'll definitely give your guide a go.

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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby wongck » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:25 pm

Mug UK wrote:Already did so .. viewtopic.php?f=15&t=19179&p=165847
Eeek, some 2 and a bit years ago now .. mind you I was scanning a lot more stuff back then.

Ok, will make a note of that, to put it into the wiki. Once I get my head out of the stuff I'm programming now. :wink:
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Re: Looking for MagiC, Jinnee and NVDI!

Postby Mug UK » Sat Sep 22, 2012 12:26 pm

Naturally the savings are not guaranteed each time. All depends on how plain the original was and how bad the artefacts are that your scanner "helpfully" thinks are what you wanted ;-)

If you want my original .DOC file for the guide I did so you can do the same for the Linux software system that you're using, just let me know TheNameOfTheGame and I'll send it through.
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