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Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:56 pm

Hi all,

Just thought I'd start a thread about this.....

Creating Mid-Nineties Techno

What kind of kit would you use?
What production would you employ?
What time frame would you expect to be able to turn around a 'reasonable' track in?

thoughts?

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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby tamprecision » Sun May 01, 2011 1:36 am

For the authentic mid 90s techno on a shoestring:

I'd be looking for obviously an atari with cubase and plenty of midi i0 connected to

akai s3000 or S2000 S1000 etc
emu6400 or esi3000 / 4000

nice big mixing desk, could be el cheapo or something nicer but plenty channels

maybe a few S+S type synths -ROLAND JD800 KORG 05r Yamaha SY85 maybe even quasimidi Technox (!) maybe Korg WAVESTATION

some outboard fx and compression, if you were rich an eventide H3000

DAT machine,

1 pair NS10s and at that time probly a samson servo amp

maybe a retrofitted analog like a juno or sh101 or if you were ardcore an ALPHAjuno or rich enough a 303 or 202

at least 1 technics deck and some godawful DJ mixer

a large sack of marcus darby's mad apples

there'd be a lot of sampling of crusty vinyl and borrowing of beats with maybe some shiny digital sounds and some crazy filter sound from the analogs

the basic idea is this:

"2 CHANNELS , WACK UP THE GAIN"
probly
make sure you wack the levels on the dat a bit and dont forget to write down all those settings.............

to be honest a track could easily take two or three weeks if you wanted it to to be intricate, but minimum 1 week
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Sun May 01, 2011 3:24 am

tamprecision wrote:For the authentic mid 90s techno on a shoestring:

I'd be looking for obviously an atari with cubase and plenty of midi i0 connected to - :)

akai s3000 or S2000 S1000 etc - S3000XL + FX
emu6400 or esi3000 / 4000

nice big mixing desk, could be el cheapo or something nicer but plenty channels - (Mackie copy / Behringer 26:4:2)

maybe a few S+S type synths -ROLAND JD800 KORG 05r Yamaha SY85 maybe even quasimidi Technox (!) maybe Korg WAVESTATION

X5D / MU128 / Casio VZ-1

some outboard fx and compression, if you were rich an eventide H3000

Compression? I think I am coming round to this idea. I hear different views about this.

FX Zoom 8080 / 1204

DAT machine,

Minidisc? lol

1 pair NS10s and at that time probly a samson servo amp

Currently on a Bose AM5 and some Mordant Short's

maybe a retrofitted analog like a juno or sh101 or if you were ardcore an ALPHAjuno or rich enough a 303 or 202

Juno 106 / Casio CZ1000

at least 1 technics deck and some godawful DJ mixer
SL2000 Kam made2fade scratch mixer


a large sack of marcus darby's mad apples

Arrr Cider!

there'd be a lot of sampling of crusty vinyl and borrowing of beats with maybe some shiny digital sounds and some crazy filter sound from the analogs

Neil Landstruum, Dan Curtin, Dave Angel, etc

the basic idea is this:

"2 CHANNELS , WACK UP THE GAIN"
probly
make sure you wack the levels on the dat a bit and dont forget to write down all those settings.............

Write?

to be honest a track could easily take two or three weeks if you wanted it to to be intricate, but minimum 1 week


Kool thanks for the reply.

This might expand into a wiki?

What setup for Drum and Bass?
- Jazz ?
- Live / Orchestral


:D

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Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby Mal7921 » Sun May 01, 2011 9:28 am

On the sampler side, for a true authentic sound you really need a 12 bit sampler like the Akai s900/s950 or if you want filtering on the samples, Roland s550/s50/s330

The rolands had a better sound than the Akai units, but Akai got there first and were the industry standard by the time Roland got going.

One advantage of the rolands, you can attach an external monitor and a mouse for easier sample editing.

12 bit samples really cut through a busy mix and are ideal for sampling analogue drum machine sounds and/or drum loops


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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Sun May 01, 2011 10:43 am

Mal7921 wrote:The rolands had a better sound than the Akai units, but Akai got there first and were the industry standard by the time Roland got going.

ST vs. Amiga! lol

One advantage of the rolands, you can attach an external monitor and a mouse for easier sample editing.
Cool. Akai's are well implemented for MIDI.

12 bit samples really cut through a busy mix and are ideal for sampling analogue from machine sounds and/or drum loops

4BIT are Great too!

96Khz is really overkill for a lot of applications /productions

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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby tamprecision » Sun May 01, 2011 4:00 pm

its true , the s950 is a class act, i love my s950

I believe it also has a very fast midi response time

sadly i heard of an S1000 going to the dump recently which i found a bit sad :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

btw do all noobs like me get labelled "retro freak"??

I am rather pleased with that description either way!
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby tamprecision » Sun May 01, 2011 4:03 pm

ST vs AMIGA, now that takes me back to my schooldays and arguments about parrallax scrolling and numbers of on screen sprites......

how about speccy vs C64???, personally i think the Sam Coupe beats them all hands down ........ :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Sun May 01, 2011 4:26 pm

tamprecision wrote:ST vs AMIGA, now that takes me back to my schooldays and arguments about parrallax scrolling and numbers of on screen sprites......

how about speccy vs C64???, personally i think the Sam Coupe beats them all hands down ........ :lol: :lol: :lol:



Drum and bass? 4Channel MOD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVjay3izJb4

I had a +2 / +3 before the STe / Falcon. Sams nice... I must get one of these DivIDE Ram boards ( I read 1GB on a Spectrum! ) :lol:

All the Amiga owners bar one @ my school were just into pirate games and *adult* material (suspect) the one that did something different just copied artwork in that paint package .. Deluxe Paint. Even tried to hand in the Gold Runner Title screen as their own work! He knew some AMiaiaga hackkers too.

Apart from the Old school txt messages 'Scrolltexts' I never really heard from proper Atari users. That would be a great App. " Scroll txt messages " with Oldskool chip music accompaniment .


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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby Dal » Sun May 01, 2011 4:34 pm

tamprecision wrote:btw do all noobs like me get labelled "retro freak"??


You will be a retro freak until you have 17 posts to your name... at which point you will become an Atariator:
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Sun May 01, 2011 4:36 pm

Dal wrote:
tamprecision wrote:btw do all noobs like me get labelled "retro freak"??


You will be a retro freak until you have 17 posts to your name... at which point you will become an Atariator:
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And one day an Atari God! :lol:
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby tamprecision » Sun May 01, 2011 6:03 pm

so with this here post i shall lose my freak status :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

1 GB on a speccy? what kind of witchcraft is that?????

i still have a few nice speccy music things, 1 ram music machine and 1 cheetah specdrum

I think thats part of what i like about all the atari midi expansions, midex unitor etc

kind of takes me back to these boxes that i would attach to the speccy,,,, happy days

dont tell anyone but im afraid i was an amiga owner with both pirate games and suspect adult material. but i also had OCTAMED [smilie=greencolorz4_pdt_12.gif] with midi io and master sound sampling cartridge.... (still got them too.....)
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Sun May 01, 2011 7:05 pm

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ZX-Spectrum-X2-pl ... 500wt_1156


ZX Spectrum X2 plus Divide Adaptors + Extras

both consoles have been tested using the divide adaptors.
but not tested any of the cassette players
items included in the sale are.....

1 original divide plus including 256mb of ram
1 divide homebrew made with 1gb of ram

;)
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby tamprecision » Sun May 01, 2011 8:35 pm

nativ wrote:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ZX-Spectrum-X2-plus-Divide-Adaptors-Extras-/400210894085?pt=UK_VintageComputing_RL&hash=item5d2e6d9d05#ht_500wt_1156


ZX Spectrum X2 plus Divide Adaptors + Extras

both consoles have been tested using the divide adaptors.
but not tested any of the cassette players
items included in the sale are.....

1 original divide plus including 256mb of ram
1 divide homebrew made with 1gb of ram

;)


very nice. must. stop. myself. from. bidding..... grrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby Desty » Tue May 03, 2011 2:33 am

nativ wrote:Drum and bass? 4Channel MOD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVjay3izJb4

Nice! Reminds me of that English dub to the anime "Fist of the North Star" where they also replaced the cheesy soundtrack with a ridiculous and utterly superior D&B job by Reinforced Records :)
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Tue May 03, 2011 4:05 pm

Desty wrote:
nativ wrote:Drum and bass? 4Channel MOD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVjay3izJb4

Nice! Reminds me of that English dub to the anime "Fist of the North Star" where they also replaced the cheesy soundtrack with a ridiculous and utterly superior D&B job by Reinforced Records :)


I had that! it was top! Used to go to 'The Lounge' bar in Aylesbury, tuesday night was drum and bass and Manga!

Now a Falcon manga rpg with a drum and bass sound track. . . .

Have you played Gut's Rage? Sword of the BESERK. . . like that with d'n'b!
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby Desty » Tue May 03, 2011 4:24 pm

nativ wrote:
Desty wrote:
nativ wrote:Drum and bass? 4Channel MOD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVjay3izJb4

Nice! Reminds me of that English dub to the anime "Fist of the North Star" where they also replaced the cheesy soundtrack with a ridiculous and utterly superior D&B job by Reinforced Records :)


I had that! it was top! Used to go to 'The Lounge' bar in Aylesbury, tuesday night was drum and bass and Manga!

That sounds like a quality combo! Pity I missed it :D

nativ wrote:Now a Falcon manga rpg with a drum and bass sound track. . . .

Have you played Gut's Rage? Sword of the BESERK. . . like that with d'n'b!
;)

Didn't know there was a game - watched the series (or the first season, if there was more) plus the brilliant dub outtakes.
Hmm, manga RPG with drum&bass soundtrack for the Falcon, very promising idea :)
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby !cube » Tue May 03, 2011 5:33 pm

nativ wrote:- Live / Orchestral


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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby charles » Sun May 08, 2011 3:53 pm

i do a type of techno on my atari

drum and bass too

this is a blurb from one of my devices and cubase on my atari.
i use edit track aswell

for years and years i been looking for another to help or aid in music creation .

guess its past its prime

but it still fun!!!!


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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Sun May 08, 2011 4:22 pm

charles wrote:i do a type of techno on my atari

drum and bass too

this is a blurb from one of my devices and cubase on my atari.
i use edit track aswell

for years and years i been looking for another to help or aid in music creation .

guess its past its prime

but it still fun!!!!


charles



So which packages did you use for this?

Are you able to provide a midi file and samples?

thanks for posting.

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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby charles » Sun May 08, 2011 4:38 pm

+So which packages did you use for this?

>atari stf 1040
>edittrack by hybrid arts
>cubase3 by steinberg

+Are you able to provide a midi file and samples?

>yes , but you first ,you upload one of your midi files,
> i wanna see that you are able to use the midi
>file i made


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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Sun May 08, 2011 4:45 pm

charles wrote:+So which packages did you use for this?

>atari stf 1040
>edittrack by hybrid arts
>cubase3 by steinberg

+Are you able to provide a midi file and samples?

>yes , but you first ,you upload one of your midi files,
> i wanna see that you are able to use the midi
>file i made


thanks for posting.

charles



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All the music @ pushrecords.official.fm Is made on my Atari STe 4MB running Cubase 3.1

A couple of the tracks are made in Tracker packages they can be found on soundcloud.com/push-records

Memory_ZX , Void, GiANT BEATZ and Approach are tracker ( MOD ) tunes

Here is a short D&B track I did http://snd.sc/luuw2w

Just using one Keyboard the Korg X5D

What did you use for you for the sounds?

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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby charles » Sun May 08, 2011 4:50 pm

drum machine for the sounds
thats it!
a boss dr-660 made by roland
one channel of midi #10

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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby nativ » Sun May 08, 2011 4:57 pm

charles wrote:drum machine for the sounds
thats it!
a boss dr-660 made by roland
one channel of midi #10

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We had a Boss unit at school, nice and crunchy!

Most of my drums come from the Korg, although I do have a Roland R8M.

I think I can handle one single channel of drum programming!
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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby charles » Sun May 08, 2011 7:10 pm

w2hat cards do u have in the r8m ?
do you want to do some midi stuff together?

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Re: Creating Mid-Nineties Techno on the Atari

Postby yerzmyey » Fri May 13, 2011 7:49 am

nativ:

> Drum and bass? 4Channel MOD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVjay3izJb4
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Well, of course. If somebody is skilled enough, regular STe is enough to make any techno music.
Actually even 520ST is enough to make techno music :)
http://ym-digital.i-demo.pl/04_YM_Digit ... Poison.mp3
But I don't suppose You wanna do it this way. :) Or maybe I'm wrong? :)
50kHz Player would make it real. ;)


> I must get one of these DivIDE Ram boards ( I read 1GB on a Spectrum! ) :lol:
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Actually divIDE aren't RAM boards, they're IDE drives. But transfer is so fast that as the matter of fact, there isn't any big difference.
If You wanna get Spectrum with big RAM You should get ZX Evolution. :)
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http://ym-digital.i-demo.pl/ ATARI 520ST music-band
http://ay-riders.speccy.cz/ ZX Spectrum music-band
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