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Different uses for cartridge port?

Postby elinscheid » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:57 pm

I was wondering what different uses there are for the cartridge port on the side of my 1040STF? Were games ever released on cartridge like the 8-bit days? I ran a search in the forum for ST and Cartridge and found several threads but everyone except for me knows what the port is for :lol: Looks like you might be able to connect an external drive to it? And some audio devices?

Just curious. Thanks!
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Postby PaulB » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:06 pm

As far as I know the cartridge port only allowed access to 128kb (or was it 256kb?). Therefore the few program cartridges (such as Fast Basic) were applications. Most decent games wouldn't fit into such a small amount of memory. The cartridge port was also used for things such as dongles, hardware clocks, midi port expansions, audio & video capture and interfaces for hand scanners. Some innovative people in the last few years have made other cartridge port hardware to extend or enhance the ST's capabilities such as the EtherNec (network your ST to a LAN) and IDE hard drive interfaces.
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Postby unseenmenace » Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:13 pm

Yeah what he said, plus the best cartridge I had and still have is the Ultimate Ripper Cartridge which lets you stop programs and either poke in cheats or rip graphics, music etc.
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Postby spiny » Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:23 pm

I've got quite a few carts i've collected over the years, loads of 'romantic robot' carts (similar to ultimate ripper but much much older) a few Replay samplers and some VidiST stuff that I must dig out and see if it works :)
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Postby ppera » Fri Aug 04, 2006 12:17 pm

Cartridge port was useful for games on machines like C64 and Atari 800. It allowed ultrafast load of games in compare to tape load.
On Atari ST it was not so, because of limited capacity, and standard floppy drive on machine.
Btw. it is possible with some tricks to put much more on cartride than 128K. Such extension existed on C64 cartridges.
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Postby MiggyMog » Sat Aug 05, 2006 3:44 pm

Does anyone have a full list of every (Known ) Cart made?

(Come to think of it a list of all atari specific add ons would be nice for the wiki)

(Anyone out there made some custom ones to do specific tasks? )

The few carts I can think of are :-

Mastersound I/II
Stereo master
VideoMaster
Replay /16/Pro
Spectre GCR
MV16( I assume this ran from cart?)
Playback
SMS2 (Operating system)
Crazy dots
+Scanner interfaces

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I forgot about the forget me clock 1/2 LOL!

There was also a robot interface & an interfae for a virtual radio control aeroplane/helicopter program...
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Postby unseenmenace » Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:53 pm

MiggyMog wrote:Does anyone have a full list of every (Known ) Cart made?

Well why not start compiling a list here. Each person just copies the list and adds any additional cartridges they can think of:-


Samplers:

Mastersound
Mastersound 2
Stereo Master
Replay
Replay 12
Replay 16/Pro (are these the same thing?)
Stereo Replay


Sound carts:

MV16 (yes it is a cart, I have one)
Playback Stereo
Monster Stereo Cartridge


Digitizers:

VidiST
VideoMaster


Software:

Spectre GCR
SMS2 (Operating system)
Ultimate Ripper Cartridge


Other:

Crazy Dots
Scanner interfaces (anyone know any specifics?)


Any more anyone?
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Postby Argus » Sun Aug 06, 2006 12:36 am

Can the external cartridge port be used to upgrade TOS? I ask because there are two roms for some TOS upgrades that would fit nicely on a two rom adaptor, with no need to open the machine or do internal modifications. This would be sort of like the diagnostic boards Atari made that plug into the cartridge port. Or do you need more than 128K for TOS (probably)?
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Postby RetroGamerUK » Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:14 am

I have a "forget-me-clock" that goes in the cart port and has a through connector so it doesn't actually get in the way... it works as well.
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Postby MiggyMog » Sun Aug 06, 2006 1:38 pm

Didn't the Monster sound run of the printer port?
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Postby karlm » Mon Aug 07, 2006 3:09 am

you forgot Spectre 128

and I think Magic Sac, maybe that was software only :)

And how dare you forget the mighty Discovery Carts!

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Postby unseenmenace » Mon Aug 07, 2006 7:58 am

MiggyMog wrote:Didn't the Monster sound run of the printer port?

I think you may be right there :oops: (removed).

Added: Spectre 128, Forget Me Clocks & Discovery Cart



Samplers:

Mastersound
Mastersound 2
Stereo Master
Replay
Replay 12
Replay 16/Pro (are these the same thing?)
Stereo Replay


Sound carts:

MV16
Playback Stereo


Digitizers:

VidiST
VideoMaster


Software:

Spectre GCR
Spectre 128
SMS2 (Operating system)
Ultimate Ripper Cartridge


Other:

Crazy Dots
Scanner interfaces (anyone know any specifics?)
Forget Me Clock
Forget Me Clock II
Happy Discovery Cartridge
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Postby unseenmenace » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:00 am

Argus wrote:Can the external cartridge port be used to upgrade TOS? I ask because there are two roms for some TOS upgrades that would fit nicely on a two rom adaptor, with no need to open the machine or do internal modifications. This would be sort of like the diagnostic boards Atari made that plug into the cartridge port. Or do you need more than 128K for TOS (probably)?

I think you would need more than 128KB but I'm sure someone on this forum said there are tricks to let you put more on a cart. Whether or not this could be loaded off cart on boot without loading the inbuilt OS first I don't know. Would be cool though.
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Postby jens » Mon Aug 07, 2006 8:34 am

Added: Ethernec, networking adapter



Samplers:

Mastersound
Mastersound 2
Stereo Master
Replay
Replay 12
Replay 16/Pro (are these the same thing?)
Stereo Replay


Sound carts:

MV16
Playback Stereo


Digitizers:

VidiST
VideoMaster


Software:

Spectre GCR
Spectre 128
SMS2 (Operating system)
Ultimate Ripper Cartridge


Other:

Crazy Dots
Scanner interfaces (anyone know any specifics?)
Forget Me Clock
Forget Me Clock II
Happy Discovery Cartridge
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Postby PaulB » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:12 am

Fast Basic cartidge
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Postby ppera » Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:08 am

Argus wrote:Can the external cartridge port be used to upgrade TOS?


Yes. But maybe word 'upgrade' is not the best. I'd rather say 'patch'.
You can put in cartridge ROMs some replacements of system calls - Xbios, Bios, AES. But must also put code which will replace old calls and init new calls.
Of course you may put in cartridge some accessories, frequently used programs and similar - actually, cart. port is made for it.

Complete TOS you can not put in cartridge, first because of capacity, second, it should be relocated to work from those addresses.
In theory, it is possible to use some paging system, and get more capacity, but it is complicated, and will be slow in some cases. Much simpler is to replace internal ROMs.
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Postby karlm » Mon Aug 07, 2006 12:35 pm

Multiface ST anyone?

And wasn't there a copy cartridge from Datel? (No not that cludge of a 74701 or whatever that was basically a blitz cable\0

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