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Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby Dark Willow » Mon Mar 25, 2013 5:08 pm

So, thining about swapping out the old HD on the TT for a solid state solution, and two present themselves. What I really want here a system that let's me have the ability to access two cards at the same time to be able to copy stuff over from a PC to the "main" card acting as Atari hard drive (i.e. one card as a "floppy" and one as a "hard drive")

Can HDdriver support this on the TT internal SCSI? Two devices I'm considering are:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/350748493467? ... 97.c0.m619

Connected though an Acard SCSI-IDE adapter. Or:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/370775121460? ... 1423.l2649

Connected directly to the SCSI.

Does anyone have any experiences with this?
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby lp » Mon Mar 25, 2013 8:29 pm

From what I've seen in other threads, these work:
http://a4000t.com/store/index.php?main_ ... cts_id=241

They use LUNs, so you need a fairly newer HD Driver though, he added better LUN support. And its not overly priced like on ebay.

I don't know if the internal chain can handle more than one ID. I don't see why not.

The Acard can be troublesome if it has old firmware, so I've heard.

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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby thesender604 » Mon Mar 25, 2013 9:10 pm

until my ICD went wrong on me i had been using 2 acard ide/scsi bridges 1 with a compact flash to ide adapter and the other with a ide dvd R/W and they were fine for me

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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby wongck » Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:39 pm

I have on my external SCSI chain an 9GB HDD and a SD-adapter with IDE-SCSI converter.

From what I know, the IDE-SCSI adapter will only look at a single IDE device.
So may be if you can bank the 2 CF together, you may be able to use both else only the master.

Your best bet may be to get what Lonny said, as it was mentioned in several thread that it works.
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby mdivancic » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:02 pm

I've been using this on my TT for a while: CF Aztecmonster

It works quite well. I'm going to order a couple more (some day).
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby lp » Mon Mar 25, 2013 11:09 pm

mdivancic wrote:I've been using this on my TT for a while: CF Aztecmonster

It works quite well. I'm going to order a couple more (some day).


Have the same, after seeing you do it. :)

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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby qq1975b » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:08 am

I have my TT with Acard+kingston CF and works ok. At the begining I had two of them connected to transfer files between the CF and worked ok too.
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby Dark Willow » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:09 pm

qq1975b wrote:I have my TT with Acard+kingston CF and works ok. At the begining I had two of them connected to transfer files between the CF and worked ok too.


Was that two CF's readers running through one Acard? That's exactly what I'm hoping to do (since one IDE line can handle two devices, I was hoping it should be possible!)
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby qq1975b » Tue Mar 26, 2013 10:25 pm

Dark Willow wrote:
qq1975b wrote:I have my TT with Acard+kingston CF and works ok. At the begining I had two of them connected to transfer files between the CF and worked ok too.


Was that two CF's readers running through one Acard? That's exactly what I'm hoping to do (since one IDE line can handle two devices, I was hoping it should be possible!)



No...2 Acards. One per device. :(
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby wongck » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:19 pm

Dark Willow wrote:Was that two CF's readers running through one Acard? That's exactly what I'm hoping to do (since one IDE line can handle two devices, I was hoping it should be possible!)


ACard is still around, so look at their website.
I also had that intention several years back.
( My Acard did not work for me as it was bad after some experiments, the ACard tech support told me to return to the seller for a replacement but I bought it off ebay, so not possible)

IIRC, there were some adapter models that supports multiple IDE devices.
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby qq1975b » Thu Mar 28, 2013 7:16 am

wongck wrote:IIRC, there were some adapter models that supports multiple IDE devices.


I didn't know...like which ones?

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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby Guest » Fri Mar 29, 2013 12:57 am

the problem with multiple devices on scsi is each ide 'bridge' will use 1 ID


best wait and listen to alanh his idea will progress fully with time......

too an easy solder project ie 4 ide devices and space for more

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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby qq1975b » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:09 am

I was thinking about the TT...that has the SCSI board and not internal ACSI for ultrasatan (like the Mega ST or Mega STe) and I prefer not to use the external ultrasatan with it. So I had to put an Acard+IDE to CF card.

I know about alanh project for ST, STe and MegaSTe...I want one when ready :lol:
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby Guest » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:14 am

send me pm ill let you have a 8GB ide drive and a ACARD
tested and working

i dont need it lol:)

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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby wongck » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:26 am

8O I must be over 3 years since I visited Acard website it was during the time when I had issues with my Acard and looking for what products they have.
They used to have one adapter with 2 IDE cables supporting 2 drive.
Now I see that they do not have that any more on their website.
But they have a SCSI-SATA with 4 SATA devices.
Frankly, I have not used any of those so I do not know how many ID it uses, but what Simbo said made sense.
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby Guest » Fri Mar 29, 2013 1:50 am

its all down to the firmware you use with acard

there devices work ok
i got this card it was broken had two io pins lifted

so i fixed it and it worked
and still works

i want to get a couple of alanh units

he needs to make a snazzy name for sure

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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby atarian90 » Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:23 am

I say forget all these silly adapter upon adapter. Just get a Suska Gigafile or two. :megaphone: Support the few Atari hardware manufacturers left! :D The Gigafile was designed for Atari ST/TT computers - not Mac, PCs, etc though I am sure they can be used with them too.

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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby Dark Willow » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:28 pm

atarian90 wrote:I say forget all these silly adapter upon adapter. Just get a Suska Gigafile or two. :megaphone: Support the few Atari hardware manufacturers left! :D The Gigafile was designed for Atari ST/TT computers - not Mac, PCs, etc though I am sure they can be used with them too.


Suska works on ACSI. The solutions I'm looking at are for the internal TT SCSI.
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby frank.lukas » Sat Apr 06, 2013 4:52 pm

The GigaFile SD Card Drive works on SCSI too ...

http://shop.inventronik.de/store
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby Dark Willow » Mon May 20, 2013 12:10 am

Just an update on this. I oredred a PCD-60B reader from Mechware. Unit cost $95 and shipping from US to UK was $24. This is the last model they have left in stock, but it does give you both Compact Flash, SD Card and PCMCIA support over internal SCSI (with independent LUNs - so should support using multiple cards at the same time), and so this could be a good option for those with MSTe and TTs. It seems extremely flexible.

I'll post a report when I get it and have had a chance to experiment (after finals).
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Re: Multiple devices on SCSI>IDE / SCSI>CF

Postby wongck » Mon May 20, 2013 11:46 am

You can get some tips on using it [url]here[/url].
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21954#p195635
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