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Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby Dal » Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:04 pm

I recently purchased one of these VME cards and have not had too much luck getting it fully installed on my MSTE.

After following the installation procedure (setting jumpers, installing the VIP and two VDI PRG's into the Auto Folder), I rebooted the system and I get 2 followed by 4 bombs when the VDI PRG is run.

I know that:
CM16_VIP.PRG is the main driver for the card - it locates the card on the bus and performs some initialisation and diagnostics.
M16VDI8B.PRG is for 256 colour mode VDI (8bit)
M16VDITC.PRG is for True Colour mode VDI

Running the system up without either VDI PRG allows the card to initialise and I can get to the desktop on my standard monitor output to flash it with new settings etc.
If I flash the card with a 256 colour mode vtg file, then M16VDI8B.PRG crashes with 4 bombs, but M16VDITC.PRG runs without crashing.
If I flash the card with a True Colour mode vtg file, then M16VDI8B runs without crashing, but M16VDITC crashes with 4 bombs.

I am using the disks supplied with the card and am told this worked ok on a TT. I have traced a copy of this on devdocs and it is the same version, but devdocs says it is for TT (no mention of MSTE).

So, I'm starting to wonder whether two versions of the VDI PRG's exist (one version for TT and another for MSTE?).

Google isn't returning any downloads other than those found at Devdocs (v1.41c) so I'm pretty stuck.
Does anyone have an older copy of the drivers or perhaps can offer some advice?
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby calimero » Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:28 pm

so you bought card from lp ?

I hope you will manage to run this mythical graphics card ! :) :)

it should be best of all, right?
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby Dal » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:06 pm

calimero wrote:so you bought card from lp ?

Indeed - I'm very pleased!

calimero wrote:it should be best of all, right?

Yes - it's pretty amazing (on paper at least). Very configurable and uses eeproms for flash configuration - very smart.

The card inits fine most of the time just the damned VDI won't run so it's not kicking the desktop over to the VGA monitor. I'm going to mess about a bit more with the cache/blitter/clock settings on the mste. I've already disabled the cache and blitter using xboot, but I might just try doing it from the desktop and launching the M16VDI manually.

I know LP had issues with the cache setting on the TT which is why he didn't like the card.

I've not really got it to sync correctly with a screen yet either. Lots of trial and improvement I think.
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby lp » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:43 pm

Sorry to hear its not working. You raise a good question, if there are different drivers for the STE. I don't know. You don't see to many of the cards around. I hope someone knows about the drivers. The odd thing is the installer detects the STE, so you would assume it installs the right driver.

I did install it on a clean TT, as in fresh HD. I'm guessing you already tried the obvious and booted only with the CyRel drivers. It would boot up with the cache on and the VGA monitor would display the desktop. It would go nuts if I moved the mouse into the drop-down menus and bomb. Setting the cache off cured it.

Can you try the other install disk from dev-docs? There is the off chance the floppy is corrupted. If you saw the TT the disks came with, you'd be amazed they are even readable. The machine is beyond yellow.

You can remove that serial driver it installs. Totally not needed. Maybe it only installs that on the TT?
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby Dal » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:01 pm

OK - I've got a VTG that kind of works for my display. For the sake of simplicity, I have disconnected my ultrasatan and just created a floppy disk with the necessary files in an auto folder.

I still get the same 4 bombs, however I can now see that the crash definitely occurs when the Cyrel M16-1280 VDI driver is loaded as this is what is displayed on the VGA panel I'm using.

I have been using the drivers available from dev-docs. Like you LP, I thought the drivers would be compatible with the MSTE as well as the TT. Certainly the main CM16_VIP.PRG is working correctly and allows me access to the card.

The two vdi drivers are for 256 or True colour mode. I don't understand how to switch the vdi over for 1,2 and 4 bit modes as there is nothing supplied for these.
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby lp » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:16 pm

If you get to the point where you are sure its hopeless and can return it boxed as well as I sent it, I'll refund the money for the card. Already I feel bad that it don't work for you. I know it works in my spare TT, so if it comes to that, then maybe one day I will dis-assemble the driver and sort out the cache issue. I did that for my Hades before it bit the dust.

Its a shame, its a good piece of hardware, but seems to lack a good driver.
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby Dal » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:49 pm

I wouldn't worry - I took the risk in full knowledge that it may not work too well. If all else fails, I'll hang on to it in the vain hope I manage to bag a TT at some point in the future!
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby DarkLord » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:27 am

Just have to say Lonny, I thought that was a heckuva offer though. :cheers:
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby Dal » Mon May 20, 2013 10:25 am

I have it working on my new TT. Currently running at 1024x768 (256 colours). I have it playing nicely with NVDI 5.03 and everything seems rock solid and stable so far - managed to run Calamus L V8 surprisingly well.

Going to have a play with the higher resolutions and see how it copes.
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby Brume » Mon May 20, 2013 12:18 pm

Now we'd like to see some photos, Dal 8)
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby Dal » Mon May 20, 2013 1:30 pm

Fair enough :)

Here's the normal TT desktop at 1024x768 (256 colours):
Sunrise - Desktop.JPG


On the left I have the TT video out - all VT52 traffic goes there while VDI stuff is routed to the monitor on the right
Sunrise - Both Screens.JPG


I can't use Calamus, however here's an idea of how it looks through the Cyrel
Sunrise - Calamus.JPG


My system is a standard TT(32Mhz) 4MB STRAM + 16MB TTRAM with TOS 3.06UK. I'm running NVDI 5.03 and have the cache on (no problems so far).

So far, Cubase Audio CBX 1.1 doesn't like the Cyrel - I'm going to try some 2 bitplane resolutions before I start looking at other versions of Cubase.
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby Scarlettkitten » Mon May 20, 2013 1:40 pm

Wow that works nice in your TT, I can only dream of a desktop that big and that colourful :(

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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby SteveBagley » Mon May 20, 2013 9:47 pm

IIRC the VME address space is mapped into a different location in the MegaSTE (0xA00000 to 0xDFFFFF) from the TT (0xFE000000-0xFEFFFFFF), which would probably explain the crash. The 68000 in the MegaSTE will ignore the high-byte of the addresses and write all over the system memory.

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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby wongck » Tue May 21, 2013 1:01 am

You can get a better looking TOS desktop by using colour_TT which adds colour icons to the standard TT TOS desktop plus some other goodies like nice fonts and background .

I use that on my TT, It sure makes full use of the colours available on my normal TOS desktop when I am not using MINT.
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby lp » Tue May 21, 2013 1:34 am

Glad its working. I could not get the card stable with the cache on, impressive. Perhaps its related to who made the memory boards. Anyway, nice progress!
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby Dal » Tue May 21, 2013 6:58 am

lp wrote:Glad its working. I could not get the card stable with the cache on, impressive. Perhaps its related to who made the memory boards. Anyway, nice progress!


Interesting you say this, I had awful trouble to start with. The system was very flakey and would bomb unrecoverably within 5-10 minutes. I swapped out the unbranded 4x4MB Simms I had as TTRAM for a set of Kingstons and since then, it has been solid. It survived a 4 hour soak test yesterday without a glitch. I'm just using the Atari 4/16 board - I don't have anything fancier to try with it yet.

The downside is I don't think the timing on this board is consistent enough to run a flat panel. I set up my 1024x768 profile based on the XGA standard, but even my 4:3 NEC Multisync panel didn't like it. Perhaps the quartz oscillator on the board is borked. I'll swap it out of curiosity one day, but for now I'll stick with the more forgiving CRT.
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby lp » Tue May 21, 2013 9:18 am

Had lots of problems getting a flat panel going on the crazydots at resolutions over 640x480. Flat panels seem to have a much smaller window of error. However, the crazydots has a real-time video mode generator, which makes it much easier to tweak. If I recall correctly the CyRel does not have such a handy tool.
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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby nativ » Tue May 21, 2013 10:18 am

Scarlettkitten wrote:Wow that works nice in your TT, I can only dream of a desktop that big and that colourful :(

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Re: Cyrel Sunrise M16-1280 on MSTE

Postby [ProToS] » Wed May 22, 2013 9:49 pm

Nice setup :cheers:
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