RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby bj » Sun Apr 12, 2009 9:34 pm

Hi Darklord

Yes I think your correct. And I'll post a couple more photos. In ST LOW res there's some fuzziness at the edges of characters. In Medium res parts of characters are missing just as shown in the image you posted. Whilst I'm very impressed by the display produced by the Multisync adapter (photo coming soon) I don't think it matches that of my Philips monitor. If I was relying on the screen display for professional graphics I'd be sticking with the CM8833 II for sure. DTP or lots of Word Processing in Medium res on this LCD display is definitely out as far as I'm concerned but then it always was on any monitor in my opinion. The same may apply to the High res display - I'd be keeping the Atari mono monitor if I was planning to write a book - but it looks fine for casual use (Must check the size of the display).

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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby nativ » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:02 pm

Hi,

Right not the Falcon one then.

The ST switchbox I have came from System Soloutions and connects ST monitor out to switchbox High / Meduim + Low > VGA. I used it on my multisync monitor for all resolution and now just on a VGA for High.

I'll take a picture of that if anyones interested.

The Falcon switchbox was made from online documentation. (not by me) And has sadly vanished! It did have a phono on the side, though it was unconnected.


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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby Shredder11 » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:18 pm

nativ wrote:Hi,

I'll take a picture of that if anyones interested.

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Yes please! :mrgreen:

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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby nativ » Sun Apr 12, 2009 10:36 pm

Will do!

in the mean time!

Here's a quick picture of said device!

Enjoy!
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby bj » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:04 pm

Anything like this :) . This is the multisync adapter I tested with the LCD TV. Obviously it's seen better days.
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby nativ » Sun Apr 12, 2009 11:20 pm

That's the one, just without the Phono/RCA on the side.

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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby DarkLord » Mon Apr 13, 2009 1:25 am

Okay, from the pics, it looks like ST-High is still sharp, is that correct?

If so, the question is - what can we do to make ST-Low and Med give
that kind of signal to get that sharpness?

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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby Desty » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:48 am

The colour quality with that multisync -> VGA adapter is excellent... I'd like to see some med-res pics as well for comparison?
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby bj » Tue Apr 14, 2009 9:16 am

Desty wrote:The colour quality with that multisync -> VGA adapter is excellent... I'd like to see some med-res pics as well for comparison?


Yes, I think so and if you take a look at the image "STE-Multisync 4.JPG" you can see the vertical lines/banding I mentioned. They don't really show up in every game (depends on the background colour I think - dark background shows no lines) and I don't notice them when playing games. Still it's not quite perfect.
Medium resolution is a dead loss on this Onn LCD 17" monitor just as Darklord reports for his converter. As the image here shows text in windows is legible its not pretty and on the desktop icon labels have parts missing.
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby Desty » Tue Apr 14, 2009 1:04 pm

bj wrote: Medium resolution is a dead loss on this Onn LCD 17" monitor just as Darklord reports for his converter. As the image here shows text in windows is legible its not pretty and on the desktop icon labels have parts missing.

That's a shame! I have a Polaroid 22" LCD TV sitting in a box since it arrived over a month ago since the ST is in the currently-in-use spare bedroom :| ... hopefully it'll give some kind of decent output. Will post here with some low/med res pics as well.
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby bj » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:58 pm

Ta Daa!

Bought a couple of adapters for the other multisync adapter from Maplins today. All I needed was 9 pin to15 pin female connector on each end but had to get 2 adapters to do the job. So the signal is going through 3 extra connectors - not great.

And it works! :) . This multisync adapter works in both ST Low resolution and ST High resolution with the ONN 17" LCD TV. No idea why, it just does. I think a cold boot is needed when switching from Low to High res. Display quality is almost as good as with the other multisync adapter - I don't think the extra connectors/ gender switcher helps here. I'll have a play & check it out. :) Maybe this would work with other LCD TV displays?
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby techie_alison » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:11 pm

Here we go Muggie, this is what I'm sending you. )

The switch toggles the 'Mono Detect' line on the ST, and also toggles the '12v out' to the SCART enable line. Internally 'mono out' is channeled to the VGA connector. And the RGB lines go to the SCART socket. H and V sync are shared.
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

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Laverly .. not a bad swap for some BBC Micro games :)
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby rocket-dog » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:55 pm

bj wrote: And it works! :) . This multisync adapter works in both ST Low resolution and ST High resolution with the ONN 17" LCD TV. No idea why, it just does. I think a cold boot is needed when switching from Low to High res. Display quality is almost as good as with the other multisync adapter - I don't think the extra connectors/ gender switcher helps here. I'll have a play & check it out. :) Maybe this would work with other LCD TV displays?


I am confused (that is a bit redundant with my posts I know!) But are you talking about the SCART-VGA cable thingy that costs about £50-ish?

It is a shame that universal modulator Maplin advertise isn't that universal...... :(

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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby rocket-dog » Sat Apr 18, 2009 7:59 pm

Mug UK wrote:Laverly .. not a bad swap for some BBC Micro games :)


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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby Frank B » Sun Apr 19, 2009 6:20 pm

I'm back from Simbo's house where we tested the vbox scan doubler on an old Amiga. On the LCD screen 1 VBL animation was jittery because the LCD wouldn't sync down to 50hz but it worked 100% flawlessly on an old CRT monitor. A vbox with a VGA CRT capable of 50hz is *perfect* for playing full frame rate games. The box doesn't de-interlace which means some modes will flicker like mad on certain machines. Shouldn't be a problem on the ST though. I'm going to buy one if I can. LCDs might be better for serious apps since there's no visible screen refresh.

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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby simbo » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:16 am

i found a bbc master in the street alison if you like them ill send you it
has a wordwise rom but no other roms
think it was on a network or something
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby Shredder11 » Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:48 am

Eventually I will have some space and spare dosh to buy myself a nice Beeb machine :cry: Yep I have fond memories of using the BBC A and B and even the little Electron when they first came on the market. They were also ever present throughout my school years apart from primary school as they were not out in 1976 :mrgreen: At upper school I remember excitedly checking the Beeb on the Prestel BBS service, to see how Joe Johnson was faring in the World Snooker Championship of 1986. Memories eh... :coffe:

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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby rocket-dog » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:25 pm

rocket-dog wrote:
bj wrote: And it works! :) . This multisync adapter works in both ST Low resolution and ST High resolution with the ONN 17" LCD TV. No idea why, it just does. I think a cold boot is needed when switching from Low to High res. Display quality is almost as good as with the other multisync adapter - I don't think the extra connectors/ gender switcher helps here. I'll have a play & check it out. :) Maybe this would work with other LCD TV displays?


I am confused (that is a bit redundant with my posts I know!) But are you talking about the SCART-VGA cable thingy that costs about £50-ish?



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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby Desty » Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:38 pm

Shredder11 wrote:They were also ever present throughout my school years apart from primary school as they were not out in 1976 :mrgreen: At upper school I remember excitedly checking the Beeb on the Prestel BBS service, to see how Joe Johnson was faring in the World Snooker Championship of 1986. Memories eh... :coffe:

That's funny, just as I read this I was also listening to Joe Johnson speaking on the live Eurosport commentary of the snooker World Championships :)
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby eskwadrat » Tue Apr 21, 2009 1:00 am

I have found pretty cool true multi-system TV for use anywhere in the world in including folks from US (yes, we suffer because of lack of SCART connector). It's a SONY KLV-20S400A. Pretty slick piece of hardware and the user's manual with full spec can be downloaded from this link:
http://www.sony.com.ph/support/product/klv-20s400a
Above all standard composite, component, s-video, HDMI connectors it has standard RGB DB-15 connector with ability to handle 75Hz refresh rates. Seems like a pretty good model for all Atari user's. Regards, Steve

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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby BoNuS » Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:27 pm

I can get an Eizo FlexScan F764T from a friend. I would to use this on a Falcon to play around
in the atari ST low modus at 50Hz res.(to test overscan in my game). Is this possible ??
I am looking for an SC-1224 but these are so rare that I can't get my hands on one :(
So would this be a good option or just let it go...

I already hooked my Falcon up to my LCD 32 Samsung tv with an RGB scart cable
but the picture was horrible.
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby KLund1 » Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:22 am

Good subject. Just got a falcon030 and am looking for a monitor for it. But there is not a lot of 'recommendations.' The post a couple up cost about $500 usd. That is a bit much.
Anyone have some other suggestions? Would like to run my Falcon, MSTE, STE, and perhaps even my 1200xl, or 130xe off it.
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Re: RGB LCD Monitor : Recommendation 08/09

Postby Shredder11 » Wed Sep 16, 2009 9:38 pm

I notice that the Sharp LC19D1EBK is now £139 at Richer Sounds but most stores only have one left. Once they are gone........they are gone. :megaphone:

I expect most will be display models that have been left on everyday for hours on end, so the amount of time they will last is hard to determine.

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Postby simbo » Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:07 pm

KLund1 wrote:Good subject. Just got a falcon030 and am looking for a monitor for it. But there is not a lot of 'recommendations.' The post a couple up cost about $500 usd. That is a bit much.
Anyone have some other suggestions? Would like to run my Falcon, MSTE, STE, and perhaps even my 1200xl, or 130xe off it.



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