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Abacus spreadsheet

Postby nagual » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:10 am

For my collection I'm looking for a full registered version of ABACUS spreadsheet, developed by Norbert Spiegel and distributed by MAXON Computers...
I try to reach Mr. Spiegel without success...

Last known version (according Atari Up to date) was 1.03...

Thanks all in advance:-)


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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby nagual » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:22 am

Or if someone have working e-mail/snail mai address from Mr.Spiegel :-)

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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby viking272 » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:42 pm

Did you see these contact details? Possibly out of date though:
http://tho-otto.de/hypview/hypview.cgi? ... &index=480

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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby nagual » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:10 pm

viking272 wrote:Did you see these contact details? Possibly out of date though:
http://tho-otto.de/hypview/hypview.cgi? ... &index=480


Yep, it was first I tried :-)
But...email is unknown...so...I hope somene from fellow Atarians have this proggie:-)

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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby penguin » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:19 am

If it helps someone - Abacus is on Maxon Sonderdisk 111. No need to look for it on CDs, the Sonderdisks have never been archived (besides disk 51, "Ordne HDB").
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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby ThorstenOtto » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:43 am

viking272 wrote:http://tho-otto.de/hypview/hypview.cgi?url=%2Fhyp%2Faip11.hyp&charset=UTF-8&index=480


That's from Atari Info Pages, from ~1996. Any Mausnet address you find there (those ending in maus.de) is not valid anymore.

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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby nagual » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:29 am

penguin wrote:If it helps someone - Abacus is on Maxon Sonderdisk 111. No need to look for it on CDs, the Sonderdisks have never been archived (besides disk 51, "Ordne HDB").


It was a demo or full version ?
Do you maybe have this Sonderdisk 111 :wink: :wink: ?

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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby penguin » Fri Sep 13, 2019 4:54 pm

The Sonderdisks were all commercial software (although some programs had earlier versions released as shareware or freeware). So there's no registration - either you own the disk or not ;)

Disk 51 is the only disk I've ever come across...
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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby nagual » Fri Sep 13, 2019 7:21 pm

penguin wrote:The Sonderdisks were all commercial software (although some programs had earlier versions released as shareware or freeware). So there's no registration - either you own the disk or not ;)

Disk 51 is the only disk I've ever come across...


Interesting :D

How did you heard about Sonderdisks ?
Maybe some former employee(s) from Maxon have this Sonderdisks ?
In any case, that will be VERY interesting to look, Maxon was big and good:-)

Anyway, still looking for Abacus or valid mail from author, Mr. Norbert Spiegel:-)


Cheers! :cheers:

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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby penguin » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:53 pm

nagual wrote:How did you heard about Sonderdisks ?
Maybe some former employee(s) from Maxon have this Sonderdisks ?


They were advertized in every issue of ST-Computer magazine. A full list of the disks (with screenshots) was also included on Maxon's two CDs. Maxon was also responsible for the magazine (Heim Verlag was the publisher). Both Maxon and Heim had their own line of budget applications, but Maxon's were fare more interesting (Discovery DeskTop Publishing, Weg MIDI network action game, Arrow raytracer, MultiTeX).

Uwe Bärtels, Harald Egel and Harald Schneider may know what happened to those disks. They founded Maxon but retired from the company last year. Although I guess the rights for the Sonderdisk apps simply went back to the developers - they certainly did not transfer over to Falkemedia, the company that took over ST-Computer in 1996.
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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby arf » Fri Sep 13, 2019 9:32 pm

nagual wrote:For my collection I'm looking for a full registered version of ABACUS spreadsheet, developed by Norbert Spiegel and distributed by MAXON Computers...
I try to reach Mr. Spiegel without success...

Last known version (according Atari Up to date) was 1.03...

Thanks all in advance:-)


Cheers! :cheers:


I met Norbert back in 1995, and did some early betatesting, and wrote a 1st draft of the manual. Unfortunately, he stopped writing back at some point of time in 1995 … :shrug:

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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby nagual » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:24 pm

They were advertized in every issue of ST-Computer magazine. A full list of the disks (with screenshots) was also included on Maxon's two CDs. Maxon was also responsible for the magazine (Heim Verlag was the publisher). Both Maxon and Heim had their own line of budget applications, but Maxon's were fare more interesting (Discovery DeskTop Publishing, Weg MIDI network action game, Arrow raytracer, MultiTeX).

Uwe Bärtels, Harald Egel and Harald Schneider may know what happened to those disks. They founded Maxon but retired from the company last year. Although I guess the rights for the Sonderdisk apps simply went back to the developers - they certainly did not transfer over to Falkemedia, the company that took over ST-Computer in 1996.


Thank you for valuable information :-)
As you know, I'm passionate collector of Atari software (not games, menus and demos), and my "mission" is save as more as possible Atari productivity software (databases, MIDI, editors, DTP , utils etc...)
And somehow, those Sonderdisk sounds like treasure chest for me:-)
What is your opinion about contact some (or all) gentlemens from Maxon about Sonderdisks ?
Do you maybe know some of that guys personally?

Once again, thank you for informations, I really appreciate it:-)

Cheers! :cheers:

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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby nagual » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:27 pm

I met Norbert back in 1995, and did some early betatesting, and wrote a 1st draft of the manual. Unfortunately, he stopped writing back at some point of time in 1995 … :shrug:


Wow!

Do you have maybe his mail or contact ?
And do you have any full working version to share ?
Or we can ask Mr.Spiegel first ?

Cheers! :cheers:

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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby penguin » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:02 am

nagual wrote:Thank you for valuable information :-)
As you know, I'm passionate collector of Atari software (not games, menus and demos), and my "mission" is save as more as possible Atari productivity software (databases, MIDI, editors, DTP , utils etc...)
And somehow, those Sonderdisk sounds like treasure chest for me:-)
What is your opinion about contact some (or all) gentlemens from Maxon about Sonderdisks ?
Do you maybe know some of that guys personally?


No, my colleague Thomas Raukamp interviewed Mr. Egel back in 2001: http://www.stcarchiv.de/stc2001/04/was- ... arald-egel

I never met Mr. Egel, if you want to contact him, you'd have to ask Maxon first. He still works as a consultant for Maxon according to various articles.

Applications were never a focus of cracking groups, probably because they couldn't code an "infinite lives (Y/N)" trainer for a database ;) So many apps aren't archived.
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Re: Abacus spreadsheet

Postby nagual » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:25 am

Once again, thank you very much for informations:-)

So,now I have a lot to do :-))

Thanks again and have a nice weekend, at least in Frankfurt weather is perfect:-)


Cheers! :cheers:


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