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Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 9:31 am
by wongck
sunaiac wrote:But there's no mention in the packaged of it being actually abandonware.
Is that mention present in the package that was available in OP ?

I read the whole topic, and the posts page 3/4 where NVDI is mentionned are not fully cealr about that.
Has the authot written womewhere that he was releasing the software ?


No and No.
there's copyright not from the Atari author but from the company they licensed it from.
this is my understanding.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 10:14 am
by sunaiac
Oh ok, thank you. It's a bit misleading to put it in the OP in a topic about abandonware apps :(

Then I guess, since I'm playing it clean, 80€ it is ...

I'm only interested in the desktop acceleration part of NVDI, not the fonts, printers and control panels, is there something actually free that would cover that, or less expensive ?

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 12:24 pm
by wongck
I don't think you can get it any more, they cannot sell it as the author themselves ran out of licenses.
The prog been floating around for years now, AFAIK no legal action taken by as parties thus far.
But past performance does not guarantee future performance.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 10:03 pm
by TheNameOfTheGame
sunaiac wrote:Oh ok, thank you. It's a bit misleading to put it in the OP in a topic about abandonware apps :(

Then I guess, since I'm playing it clean, 80€ it is ...

I'm only interested in the desktop acceleration part of NVDI, not the fonts, printers and control panels, is there something actually free that would cover that, or less expensive ?


The fatrakoon NVDI archive has been up for almost 4 years or more. You can't buy NVDI anymore (maybe on ebay you can find one) so that why I included the link as abandonware.

I talked to the author Wilfried Behne a couple of years ago and he wasn't opposed to even open source the software, but can't because of the bitstream technology included in the code.

But as I put in the OP, if there is any problem with any links, I will take them down. This is only meant to help preserve Atari software that can not be obtained anymore from the authors or distributors.

*Edit* Fixed the broken link for fatrakoon NVDI archive.

*Edit*
sunaiac wrote:Hi,
Has the authot written womewhere that he was releasing the software ?
Regards;


This is not the definition of abandonware.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:01 pm
by stormy
Is there a better IRC client for Atari? I officially purchased AtariIRC but it is very basic... and I just tried Chatter but it requires some MagiC specific libraries that I don't have in Mint. Does anyone know of any other alternatives? Thanks

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Fri May 17, 2019 11:19 pm
by TheNameOfTheGame
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Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 8:07 pm
by sunaiac
TheNameOfTheGame wrote:
The fatrakoon NVDI archive has been up for almost 4 years or more. You can't buy NVDI anymore (maybe on ebay you can find one) so that why I included the link as abandonware.

I talked to the author Wilfried Behne a couple of years ago and he wasn't opposed to even open source the software, but can't because of the bitstream technology included in the code.

But as I put in the OP, if there is any problem with any links, I will take them down. This is only meant to help preserve Atari software that can not be obtained anymore from the authors or distributors.

This is not the definition of abandonware.


Hi,

Ok I thought it could still be bought, I found some websites selling it for 76 euros and some but didn't try to complete the process.

About that abandonware definition, you are right.

What I meant, but poorly phrased/brought, is that I've seen in the topic some software have been clearly released as freeware with sometimes source code from the authors.So, it might be interesting to cleanly specify which is which in the OP.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Mon May 20, 2019 5:22 pm
by leech
sunaiac wrote:Hi,

I tried getting NVDI from the OP link, but it seems down.
So I found it from another source (atariancomputing I think), it comes with a serial number in the ZIP.
But there's no mention in the packaged of it being actually abandonware.
Is that mention present in the package that was available in OP ?

I read the whole topic, and the posts page 3/4 where NVDI is mentionned are not fully cealr about that.
Has the authot written womewhere that he was releasing the software ?
I can still find it for sale online so I'm wondering.

Regards;

Can you list places where it's actually for sale? When I looked previously it seemed to only be available on random sites to download. Ultimately it'd be nice if the open source versions were on par with it feature wise (fVDI I think is the open source one).

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 11:02 am
by sunaiac
I don't know if it's actually for sale.
I jumped back in the atari world a short time ago, and actually had no idea that NVDI existed before buying my Falcon haha.

This is where I found it : http://www.nvdi.de/gb/NVDI5.html but as I said, I didn't try to actually proceed to buying it because I found this topic.
That's why I wondered what its actual status (freeware/"abandonware"/still commercial) was.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 1:27 pm
by spiny
sunaiac wrote:I don't know if it's actually for sale.
I jumped back in the atari world a short time ago, and actually had no idea that NVDI existed before buying my Falcon haha.

This is where I found it : http://www.nvdi.de/gb/NVDI5.html but as I said, I didn't try to actually proceed to buying it because I found this topic.
That's why I wondered what its actual status (freeware/"abandonware"/still commercial) was.



that webpage hasn't been updated in over -nineteen years- so the pricing may not be currently accurate ...

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed May 22, 2019 7:05 pm
by penguin
sunaiac wrote:I don't know if it's actually for sale.
I jumped back in the atari world a short time ago, and actually had no idea that NVDI existed before buying my Falcon haha.

This is where I found it : http://www.nvdi.de/gb/NVDI5.html but as I said, I didn't try to actually proceed to buying it because I found this topic.
That's why I wondered what its actual status (freeware/"abandonware"/still commercial) was.


It's still commercial of course, unless the Behnes say otherwise. I've not heard of anyone trying to buy NVDI from them directly. System Solutions obviously doesn't exist anymore and NVDI is not among the few Atari applications offered by Application Systems.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 3:04 am
by jury
penguin wrote:It's still commercial of course, unless the Behnes say otherwise. I've not heard of anyone trying to buy NVDI from them directly.


I tried to buy from them directly about 10 years ago. I have written an email asking about it but I got an answer that they do not sell NVDI anymore.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Thu May 23, 2019 7:08 am
by sunaiac
Then really the ideal (for us, the few hundred atari users) would for it to officially be switched to freeware status to leave the very grey area of abandonware :)
I can understand that opensourcing it might be legally complex depending on what's inside on the other hand.

Anyway I'll keep NVDI 5.03 installed on my falcon for now (I anyway have no idea how to uninstall it !), and will try to find a box for the collection. Just bought a boxed NVDI 3.0.

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Sat May 25, 2019 10:18 pm
by jd
charles wrote:curious if over the years anyone find the computer concepts Fast Basic compiler?


Just a bump, as I can't find the Fast Basic Compiler anywhere on the net. I presume it was actually released at the time?

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Tue May 28, 2019 7:30 pm
by warp12
Just random here....Anispec/Unispec? Used to use them a fair amount, but haven't seen them online...

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 2:04 am
by TheNameOfTheGame
warp12 wrote:Just random here....Anispec/Unispec? Used to use them a fair amount, but haven't seen them online...


Atarimania seems to have a dump of Unispec at http://www.atarimania.com/utility-atari-st-unispec_22930.html

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 2:27 am
by TheNameOfTheGame
jd wrote:
charles wrote:curious if over the years anyone find the computer concepts Fast Basic compiler?


Just a bump, as I can't find the Fast Basic Compiler anywhere on the net. I presume it was actually released at the time?


Not sure if this is what you're looking for https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FAST-ST-BASIC-ATARI-ST-COMPUTER-CONCEPTS-FLOPPY-DISC-ONLY/323817101674

Was the compiler something separate from the interpreter?

Re: A couple abandonware apps

Posted: Wed May 29, 2019 12:03 pm
by jd
TheNameOfTheGame wrote:
jd wrote:
charles wrote:curious if over the years anyone find the computer concepts Fast Basic compiler?


Just a bump, as I can't find the Fast Basic Compiler anywhere on the net. I presume it was actually released at the time?


Not sure if this is what you're looking for https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FAST-ST-BASIC-ATARI-ST-COMPUTER-CONCEPTS-FLOPPY-DISC-ONLY/323817101674

Was the compiler something separate from the interpreter?


Many thanks but it seems the compiler was never released :( but the ROM cartridge package came with a utilities disk which basically transferred your .bsc file into an executable or desk accessory by appending the interpreter to your .bsc file, wrapped it together and you have your executable, not exactly a compiler but enabled you to run you program as a standalone executable.

You can download Fast Basic + Tools/Utilities Disk from this thread :

http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=8781