Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

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Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby ijor » Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:03 am

MiSTer Atari ST core

I am looking for a couple of a testers for a preliminary closed beta.

The requirements are:

- A MiSTer with SDRAM board. I/O board is no required.
- Being familiar with ST demos, games and handling disk images. The main goal is to test programs that have compatibility problems.

Please contact me by PM.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby skywalky » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:58 pm

:cheers:

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby ijor » Tue Oct 09, 2018 3:23 pm

All potential testers please check this thread: viewtopic.php?f=117&t=34458

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby davemacblack » Thu Oct 11, 2018 5:16 am

ijor wrote:MiSTer Atari ST core

I am looking for a couple of a testers for a preliminary closed beta.


Great news, finally I have reason to get MISTer :-)
Then I'll get involved in testing ST Core.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby BBond007 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:56 pm

I got it up an running.

I'm really impressed that the first few games I tried all worked :)

There are a few little issues:

The mouse I'm using (Logitech M325) moves extremely slowly and won't move in a straight horizontal or vertical line. It seems like it only moves diagonally. That makes it really tedious to use the GEM desktop.

I'll try a different mouse and report back.

The disk selection does not remember the previously selected path or disc. That would be super nice for testing purposes.

Have several different versions of most things, so when requested to insert disk #2, not only do you need to navigate through the directory structure again but you need to remember which version of disk #1 you initially used to get the corresponding version.

A few games I have tried seem to play ok for a while but then controller quits responding (but sill worked in OSD) and the game continues to run. This happened In games Jim Power, Final Fight, Shadow of the Beast and at least one more.

Anyway, nice job and thanks!
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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby breiztiger » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:13 pm

hi

i'm not an atari addict but if i can try st core i would be enjoy to report bug a discovered

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby ijor » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:33 pm

BBond007 wrote:The mouse I'm using (Logitech M325) moves extremely slowly and won't move in a straight horizontal or vertical line. It seems like it only moves diagonally. That makes it really tedious to use the GEM desktop.


Yes, I have seen this myself. Need to check it.

I know there are a few cosmetic issues. Please keep reporting them, but I am more interested in core compatibility issues.

A few games I have tried seem to play ok for a while but then controller quits responding (but sill worked in OSD) and the game continues to run. This happened In games Jim Power, Final Fight, Shadow of the Beast and at least one more.


I will try those games, but it might be helpful if you have more details. It happens at random time and points on the game?

Thanks,

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby BBond007 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 8:50 pm

ijor wrote:I will try those games, but it might be helpful if you have more details. It happens at random time and points on the game?

Thanks,


Happens very early on in the first seconds/minute(s) of gameplay. definitely random time and point with Jim Power.

I'm using a logitech F710 gamepad. I've not seen this with the same controller with other cores.

Maybe it could it be getting unresponsive because it thinks a button is stuck? in the Elvira arcade game I got stuck just jumping over and over repeatedly.

Thanks,
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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby Doozer » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:01 am

BBond007 wrote:I got it up an running.

A few games I have tried seem to play ok for a while but then controller quits responding (but sill worked in OSD) and the game continues to run. This happened In games Jim Power, Final Fight, Shadow of the Beast and at least one more.

Anyway, nice job and thanks!


I am not having this non responsiveness issue with Final Fight (longtime play and several cold reboot later, it is not reproducible here).

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby BBond007 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 9:43 am

Doozer wrote:I am not having this non responsiveness issue with Final Fight (longtime play and several cold reboot later, it is not reproducible here).


Yeah... apparently my hardware is failing :(

I'm getting missing USB events so the core it's getting confused.

Just got the same thing with the Amiga core.

It's got the be my OTG hub or the de10-nano at this point because I've swapped everything else.

thanks for checking :)

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby witchmaster » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:54 pm

BBond007 wrote:I'm getting missing USB events so the core it's getting confused.

Just got the same thing with the Amiga core.

It's got the be my OTG hub or the de10-nano at this point because I've swapped everything else.

I noticed a similar thing today (not on the Atari ST core though). My keyboard was missing events when I had both a keyboard and gamepad connected. When I disconnected the gamepad, the keyboard was working perfectly. I'm also using a OTG hub.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby mattsoft » Sat Oct 13, 2018 8:29 pm

If your power supply is not providing enough current, USB devices will drop. You should be using a PSU with at least 3 amps. Another option is to use a powered USB hub. Not saying this is it, but it could be...

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby Shamus » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:08 pm

Hi,

I eventually managed to register with the Atari Forum after I used a gmail address rather than my usual e-mail. Anyway, I'd love to do some beta testing of the ST core! However, as a new user I am not allowed to write PMs, yet.

Hope to get access to the core, soon!

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby Sorgelig » Mon Oct 15, 2018 3:06 pm

Not sure why need so much secrecy.
Many cores are far from perfect which is not preventing them to be on github and allow anyone to test and report the bugs.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby alexh » Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:32 pm

Personal choice? I think that is good enough.

I am sort of with Sorgelig. Someone was doing on fixes on the buggy Thalion Amiga game Ambermoon, the developer showed amazing skill, the work would have made the game far more playable and reliable, but the developer refused to share source or even binaries until they were finished and he was happy (which I approved of at the time) but he vanished in 2014 after ~2 years of dev work :( (Hope he's ok and just lost interest) had it been shared at any time it could have been continued by someone else.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby ijor » Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:52 am

Sorry, I am receiving too many requests for participating at the beta. Honestly, I didn't expect so much demand. I am afraid I can't answer to everybody. Please bear with me, hopefully it won't be long before a public release.

Sorgelig wrote:Not sure why need so much secrecy. Many cores are far from perfect which is not preventing them to be on github and allow anyone to test and report the bugs.


I understand what you say, but each one has it own methods, personal preferences and even style. Personally, at least in this case, I prefer to have a core a little bit more polished before a public release. Again, I expect it won't take too long.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby hlide » Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:51 pm

Well, you can make a testament where it is specified the source must be published if you die. Just kidding. "Are you insane? Some idiots will kill me to get the source!". Ah, you think so?

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby flenst111 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:53 pm

I understand what you say, but each one has it own methods, personal preferences and even style. Personally, at least in this case, I prefer to have a core a little bit more polished before a public release. Again, I expect it won't take too long.

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I agree, it is a very big thing, if somebody build this core and I want to thank you for doing that. You have to decide how you do it. And we have waited a long time for somebody building this core and if it is even more polished, it is even better. To wait a short time longer for that is not a problem for me. I think that is the freedom I like of open source development. Everybody can do it his way! Thank you for your work.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby ijor » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:15 pm

hlide wrote:Well, you can make a testament where it is specified the source must be published if you die. Just kidding. "Are you insane? Some idiots will kill me to get the source!". Ah, you think so?


Of course that all my sources are on my will ... encrypted ... with strong encryption ... and nobody knows the key except myself ... So you will get the sources, but you might need to wait until quantum computing to be able to decrypt them :mrgreen:

Seriously, please don't overreact. :) A couple of weeks ago you didn't know about my work. So the situation didn't changed, only that now "you know". Yes, I understand that subjectively it makes all the difference. But objectively, it doesn't.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby ijor » Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:47 pm

As you can see, I finally made a public release. Honestly, I wanted to complete a few more features before going public. Especially when many missing features are mostly implemented already. What is missing in most cases is the user selection and the interface with the ARM side. But considering there is much more demand than I expected, I decided to hurry with a public release. The missing features will be implemented later.

Thanks a lot for the closed beta testers, and I apologize again that I couldn't reply to everybody that was interested.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby hlide » Mon Oct 22, 2018 9:09 pm

ijor wrote:Of course that all my sources are on my will ... encrypted ... with strong encryption ... and nobody knows the key except myself ... So you will get the sources, but you might need to wait until quantum computing to be able to decrypt them :mrgreen:


Arf, only idiots will want to kill you. Well, they do exist - I mean idiots - because, killers, I don't know. Anyway, don't take my joke seriously. :cheers:

EDIT: you were not specifically targeted by my joke but rather those guys who always says bullshits as arguments against opensource.

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Re: Atari ST core. Seeking beta testers

Postby ijor » Tue Oct 23, 2018 12:07 am

hlide wrote:Arf, only idiots will want to kill you. Well, they do exist - I mean idiots - because, killers, I don't know. Anyway, don't take my joke seriously. :cheers:


Don't worry. I know you were joking :)


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