How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

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How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby cdecharme » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:31 am

Hello Everyone, Hello MIST Fans ! 8)

I'm new in this forum and first of all I want to say hello to all of you. I'm the happy owner of a MISTICA FPGA16 from manuferhi.com.
For the moment I try only the cores of the computers that I use when I was young (ZX81, ZX SPECTRUM, MSX, ATARI ST, AMIGA).
It's very exciting to feel almost the same emotions and sensations as with the same real computers, especially the speed of ignition compared to an emulator on a PC or a RASPBERRY PI.

So I have a case to submit to you ;

- I try to recreate with the MIST and the core ZX81 or ZX SPECTRUM the same feelings when I typed a basic listing and then I recorded it on an audio tape and then load it the next day to complete/improve the code.
- The only problem is that I no longer have a tape recorder, but most of all I would like to use a more modern equivalent like CASDUINO, TAPDUINO, ArduiTape, TZXDuino...
- I search on the web but it seems that this devices can only LOAD tapes but not SAVE
- I think of try a MP3 player/recorder or a SONY Minidisc but need to found or buy one before... and I'm not sure that it works !
- I know that I can use the snapshot option but it removes the pleasure of the good old days process. Especially that I'm also doing this to show the younger generation how we used and how the computer worked in the beginning. It is my duty of memory and transmission. :wink:

Have you guys some solutions for me ? Or perhaps even found a good idea to do this ?

Thanks a lot, and sorry for my approximate English sometimes :D

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby slingshot » Tue Sep 03, 2019 5:49 pm

For a full retro feeling, probably you can get an old data recorder with a cheap price, like this:
https://www.radiomuseum.org/r/sanyo_pro ... r_dr1.html

For just recording/playing back even a laptop could do the job with a line in/out port.

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby sardine » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:25 pm

still have my boxed Sanyo Dr101 (Has a Data and ph switch) used on my Dragon 64


http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/ ... er-DR-101/

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby cdecharme » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:28 pm

Thank you for your reply.
I can try to buy one of this device on eBay, I thought about it.
But for the moment I'm searching an alternative with a modern device, like this one for example : https://manuferhi.com/p/maxduino-tzxduino-casduino
I don't understand why we can't save with this hardware ?!

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby cdecharme » Tue Sep 03, 2019 9:30 pm

sardine wrote:still have my boxed Sanyo Dr101 (Has a Data and ph switch) used on my Dragon 64
http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/ ... er-DR-101/



Hello, do you try to use it with a MIST or MISTICA ? Does it work ?

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby sebdel » Wed Sep 04, 2019 8:30 am

cdecharme wrote:Thank you for your reply.
I can try to buy one of this device on eBay, I thought about it.
But for the moment I'm searching an alternative with a modern device, like this one for example : https://manuferhi.com/p/maxduino-tzxduino-casduino
I don't understand why we can't save with this hardware ?!


Because it's a player and not a recorder, right? Am I missing something here?

As a starter you could connect your Mist(ica) to a regular PC and use a simple recorder/player program, or Audacity. Save to wav, no need for fancy file formats.

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby Newsdee » Wed Sep 04, 2019 10:55 am

cdecharme wrote:I don't understand why we can't save with this hardware ?!

That's a question to ask the guys at manuferhi.com :D

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby alexh » Wed Sep 04, 2019 12:03 pm

Just for fun, if you've never tried it then you should try OTLA to regenerate audio you can use with an MP3 player or mobile phone.

The higher signal to noise ratio of mobile phones vs the tape media and players of old means you can increase playback speed approx 3.5x and not get unrecoverable data errors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNIEl0fdhag

Yes, it's not as fast as disk or IDE but the nostalgia of tape loading remains without having to wait too long or constantly adjust the tone / volume :)

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby nico24 » Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:15 pm

I like the idea of using a mini-disc. I think I'm going to give that a go!

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby Newsdee » Sun Sep 08, 2019 9:38 am

I have to admit that I wouldn't trust any important data to tapes or floppies.
I've upgraded my three retro computers (Apple II, C64 and Spectrum) to use SD cards / CF cards.

Don't get me wrong, there is a charm to use tapes but I personally would only use it as a demonstration.
Maybe each student could get a personalized tape; but I'd still back them up somewhere more reliable.

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby slingshot » Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:00 pm

Well, I have 30 years old tapes, which are still loading perfectly. Not sure about floppies, since I don't have any FDDs anymore. But I also prefer SD-card solutions for old hardware, I wouldn't call the 5 minutes loading time a "sensation".

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby cdecharme » Sun Sep 08, 2019 1:15 pm

Hello Guys,

I think that I just found what I was looking for : "Tape player and recorder for Sinclair ZX Spectrum on Atmega128"
Check here : https://trolsoft.ru/en/sch/zx-tapper

A device that can not only read but also save files on a SD Card.

It seems that it's exactly what I was searching, except that the device seems to work just with the ZX SPECTRUM computers, and not the ZX81, MSX, AMSTRAD CPC, C64...

I'm going to send a mail to the conceptor to ask some questions, especially if he always sell the device.

Perhaps someone of you knows this device ? Or even have one ?

I'm so excited :lol:

Bye for now.

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Re: How to record basic listings with a MIST to feel sensations of old tapes

Postby cdecharme » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:29 pm

Hello all !

This is the lastest news :

- the author is still selling the device
- it can play TAP, TZX (main types of blocks, but not all) and WAV (mono PCM uncompressed, 8 bits per sample)
- it also supports his own format - BAW, analogue of the WAV format, but 1-bit and more compact. The tape recorder can both play and record BAW files
- so theoretically, WAV and BAW formats can be used for any retro-computers. However, the author only tested the device with Sinclair-compatible computers and can't say that it will work with other machines

I'm now thinking of buying one to try.

Bye for now.


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