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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Newsdee » Wed Oct 28, 2015 2:26 pm

That adventure game was probably done in HyperCard... I used to make my own point n' click adventures with it as a kid... :)

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby MasterOfGizmo » Wed Oct 28, 2015 3:28 pm

eeun wrote:Some more disk images here:
http://tkc8800.com/page/Macintosh-128k-512k-disk-images


That's the same link ....
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Newsdee » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:01 pm

I found my old mac archives, and I created .dsk images with a program called HFVExplorer. Only problem is the PlusToo core tries to add some folder files to these new disks, and it fails because the disks are write-protected.

Does anybody remember what those files were? Maybe I can extract them from one of the other .dsk images...

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby eeun » Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:50 pm

Sorry...meant to paste the link to Macintosh Garden.

Anyway...Shufflepuck Cafe from the Garden works, but the archive suffers from the Mac compression curse - stuffit archives. It was a nightmare for older Macs that didn't come stock with Stuffit Expander pre-installed. The stuffit application was paradoxically often only available as a stuffit archive: you needed to decompress the application in order to decompress the applicaton.

Also note the link above does not specify disk size.

If you click on a 'year' tag on one of the games, it will show titles for that year only. Handy for sorting out the older games in the archive.

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby vebxenon » Wed Oct 28, 2015 5:31 pm

MasterOfGizmo wrote:Audio is there ... next stop SCSI ...


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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Paradroyd » Wed Oct 28, 2015 10:56 pm

MasterOfGizmo wrote:Audio is there ... next stop SCSI ...


Quite impressive!
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Newsdee » Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:29 am

I've managed to create my own disk images and run some of my old games.

You will need:
1) HFV Explorer http://www.emaculation.com/doku.php/hfvexplorer
2) Mini vMac + the same ROM and .dsk used in the MiST core http://www.gryphel.com/c/minivmac/download.html
3) An archive of games (I have a "big" 100MB HFV from some years ago - enough to backup my LC's 40MB HDD)

Instructions:
Open your hdd in HFV explorer
Select "Format media" in the menu, choose 800k and save it as a file e.g. "CrystalCastles.dsK".
Copy/paste files into the .dsk folder in HFV explorer
Select "eject media" in the menu
Launch vMac and open the .dsk file (this is needed to create some system files on the disk for System 6)
If you want you can try launching the game
Quit the game (alt+Q) then shutdown the vMac via the finder menu
Copy the .dsk on the MiST SD card

The result :)
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby vebxenon » Sun Nov 08, 2015 8:49 pm

Great Newsdee :-) This week I downloaded from Macintosh Garden the classic Macintosh version of Tetris :-) and it works very well on MiST Board :D

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Newsdee » Mon Nov 09, 2015 1:06 am

This guy has instructions on how to setup a RAM drive on a 4MB Mac using a couple of floppies:
http://www.euronet.nl/users/mvdk/floppydriven.html

This is needed to extract .sit files in a local Mac drive or to make games on multiple disks easier to play. I haven't tried setting it up yet, but I reckon it should be possible to create a .dsk with vMac that sets everything up on startup.

I've tried extracting .sit on Windows via the latest Stuffit Expander but it doesn't seem to handle them properly. I suppose I should try copying them inside the HFV disk image then extract all in an emulator.

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby MasterOfGizmo » Tue Nov 10, 2015 9:16 pm

The scsi is making some slow progress. The Mac is unknown territory for me so it's not that trivial to understand how things are supposed to work.

It can already boot from a 20mb scsi disk image stored on SD card. It's a little tricky to create that disk image but once I get writing to work properly chances are that a complete hdd setup within the core itself should be possible. I guess in another week or two there'll be nice and fast scsi hdd support.
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Newsdee » Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:17 pm

That's great news. I think my old SE had a 20MB drive; it was plenty for rather prolific days of Hypercard :mrgreen:

To create a hard drive you can use HFVExplorer. Or do you need to use a special binary format?

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby MasterOfGizmo » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:57 am

The latest version is able to format the hdd itself. The idea is that you just need a blank 20mb file for the image and the Plus Too can do all the rest itself.
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Paradroyd » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:57 pm

MasterOfGizmo wrote:The latest version is able to format the hdd itself. The idea is that you just need a blank 20mb file for the image and the Plus Too can do all the rest itself.


That's great news!

Is this posted somewhere? The latest version showing up on Github is 151027.
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby vebxenon » Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:21 am

MasterOfGizmo wrote:The latest version is able to format the hdd itself. The idea is that you just need a blank 20mb file for the image and the Plus Too can do all the rest itself.


Outstanding :D :cheers:
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby MasterOfGizmo » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:50 am

Still working on this. This is somewhat unreliable.
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Paradroyd » Tue Nov 17, 2015 3:59 pm

MasterOfGizmo wrote:Still working on this. This is somewhat unreliable.


Ah.. no rush. Just wanted to make sure a beta wasn't posted somewhere that I was missing it.
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby vebxenon » Wed Nov 18, 2015 4:49 pm

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Paradroyd » Wed Nov 18, 2015 5:58 pm

vebxenon wrote:https://github.com/mist-devel/mist-binaries/tree/master/cores/plus_too new version released :D


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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby MasterOfGizmo » Thu Nov 19, 2015 7:41 pm

And another update. This time with an option to accelerate the CPU. In this mode it cannot boot from SCSI disks (some of the initial SCSI transfers look very broken on a Mac and i am not sure that it perhaps looks the same on a real Mac) but once it has booted in normal mode the turbo can be enabled and further regular SCSI transfers will work.
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby vebxenon » Sat Nov 21, 2015 12:37 am

MasterOfGizmo wrote:And another update. This time with an option to accelerate the CPU. In this mode it cannot boot from SCSI disks (some of the initial SCSI transfers look very broken on a Mac and i am not sure that it perhaps looks the same on a real Mac) but once it has booted in normal mode the turbo can be enabled and further regular SCSI transfers will work.


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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Newsdee » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:10 am

Note to self: don't forget to "shutdown" in the menu before switching off the MiST or the drive can get corrupted (same as real hw... happens with SD cards too...)

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Paradroyd » Sat Nov 21, 2015 1:17 am

Newsdee wrote:Note to self: don't forget to "shutdown" in the menu before switching off the MiST or the drive can get corrupted (same as real hw... happens with SD cards too...)


Yeah..early Macs were terrible for that.
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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby sammargh » Mon Nov 23, 2015 8:49 pm

Well I've been playing with the core today and I must say it's quite a lot of fun! I seem to be having issues with the HD although I'm guessing it's just because of SCSI not being fully complete. Basically I converted the official System 6.0.8 disks to dsk format, boot from the system disk which allows me to initialize/format and install System 6.0.8 to the hard drive. After I select shutdown, restart the core, add the HD back, restart once more I'm asked to name the computer. After I put a name in the system hangs and if I reboot anymore all I get is the "Welcome to macintosh" message when booting from the HD. I have this issue using both 6.0.8 or 6.0.5.


Also for those who would like to get System 6.0.8 just a heads up but the official Apple images are not in dsk format but rather disk copy 4.2 format. You need to use diskdup+ (found at http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/diskdup) from within OS 9 to convert them to diskdup format which will allow them to function within the Plus Too core.

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Re: Apple Macintosh aka Plus Too

Postby Newsdee » Tue Nov 24, 2015 1:38 am

Too bad some of those utilities are not in Windows format... I can create dsk with HFVExplorer but its a bit of a pain to do it one by one.

Other than that the disk is working great now; I just copied the "Finder" folder from a 6.0.5 startup disk, then regularly made backups of the HDD file on the SD card, in case I corrupt it accidentally by turning off the MiST without shutting down the Mac OS.


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