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Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby RDASH » Mon Mar 03, 2014 9:07 pm

Hi, I've been wracking my brains trying to play my favourite midi tracks on my Atari ST to see what they would sound like using the chiptune of the Atari ST.
Copying MID files over to the ST doesn't seem to work even running CUBASE.

I was wondering if there is any way to convert a windows Midi to a Atari ST sound file, the same way YM tools converts the opposite way around?
Or is there a way to re-encode the file using a ATARI program for creating music?

Or is there even perhaps a chance of a program for windows that plays Midi files in Atari ST Style?
I'm a huge Atari nut, and your help would be very much appreciated.

I've found bits and bobs on the forums but nothing really conclusive.

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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby nativ » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:38 pm

I think the easiest way would be to use several instances of http://www.preromanbritain.com/ymvst/ YMVST in a PC based MIDI Sequencer and tune each VST as required.

Alternatively you could use the ST as a YM sound module with Electronic Cow's MINIMoo perhaps ? this would mean recording the audio out of the ST and reassembling in a DAW on the PC side

There are some YM to MIDI tools I around think? but it would limit what you could playback severely, only suggestion in that respect would be to transcribe the tracks across yourself

check http://dhs.nu Music files sections for some more ideas!


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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby RDASH » Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:14 am

Thanks for the quick reply, and for your help :)

I downloaded YmVST but inside the downloaded archive is a .DLL file but no executable.
I tried renaming the file from YmVST.dll to YmVST.exe but this didn't work either.

(is not a valid win32 file)

Do I need an additional program to use with it?
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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby charles » Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:48 am

use steem , on pc
fool around with the internal speaker option and the midi port setting to native audio

then when you ready to go "real deal" i can tell you how to use the real st

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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby nativ » Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:35 pm

RDASH wrote:Thanks for the quick reply, and for your help :)

I downloaded YmVST but inside the downloaded archive is a .DLL file but no executable.
I tried renaming the file from YmVST.dll to YmVST.exe but this didn't work either.

(is not a valid win32 file)

Do I need an additional program to use with it?


Yes you would need a MIDI sequencer most probably as a host for the VST module. Cubase (VST)- MIDI sequencer, also Renoise ( a tracker ) and Skale tracker support VST modules

What if any MIDI packages do you have available to use on the PC?

Here are some potential pieces of software for you to look at

http://www.vstplanet.com/Other_audio_to ... encing.htm

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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby RDASH » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:18 pm

What I'm really looking for is a program for PC or Atari ST that plays midi files in the style of the Atari ST Chiptune.
For example, to see what "Skyrim" would sound like if it were published for ST back in the day.
There are some chiptune remakes on youtube of several different songs, but rarely do they sound like the ST.

There are a few die hard mixers out there that make chiptunes in the style of the C64, but I have no idea about making MIDI files or composing them.
I was just really looking to see if there was a MIDI player out there that played songs in an ST Styling.
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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby RDASH » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:50 am

Bump

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solution found: I am going to use Music Studio to write the music and play it back through the ST sound chip as it has this feature built in.
It will take longer but I think its probably the best one out there for now.
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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby FedePede04 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:32 am

Hi.

i don't think that music studio is the right path to go if you would have the optimal YM-Sound, you would need a YM-Tracker of some sort.
but since you are playing around with Music Studio, then i have some music files, don't know any thing about them but maybe you can use them :)

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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby FedePede04 » Wed Nov 26, 2014 8:38 am

nativ wrote:
Here is The Beatles Blackbird on Atari ST YM :D http://youtu.be/bF3VLpXaqnU


Thx Nativ for posting the link, for this great demo (Intro) :cheers:
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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby dma » Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:10 am

You should totally use maxYMiser for this!
http://www.preromanbritain.com/maxymiser/

It can map YM channels to input MIDI channels, and you can create advanced instruments in it
(a set of instruments designed by musician 505 is even available for download).

Read the exhaustive manual for that MIDI configuration.

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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby RDASH » Thu May 21, 2015 12:22 pm

So... I'm looking for some kind of Tracker on Windows, to play MIDI files using the Emulated ST Audio?
For example if I downloaded the theme from Top Gun in Midi Format, I'd want something so I could play it in an Atari ST style as if
it were being played by the system.

Or something that would take a MID file and convert it to a ST Software compatible format that could be played through a real ST and TV coupling.
It freaking annoys me that there are huge numbers of chip tune remixes on YouTube of well known songs, but none of them remotely sound like the ST, and yeah maybe I'm just a fan boy with an unhealthy ST addiction, but why does the Amiga and Super Nintendo get all the remixes DX The ST was a far superior system in the music industry, and far better looking in my opinion.

I will always love the ST, even if Amiga had the better hardware for gaming, (albeit lazy developers and crappy ports didn't help) No matter what, it will always have a special place in my heart. ;-; Anyway, to my original point, I'm really just looking for something I can open a midi in, and have it playback in old ST Nostalgic Bliss.
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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby Eero Tamminen » Thu May 21, 2015 7:27 pm

Connect two ST emulators with virtual MIDI connection, use one emulator to output the MIDI song to MIDI connnection and another emulator to run maxYMiser, which gets the MIDI data as input and does YM playback of it

This is possible at least with Hatari on Linux. This script serves as an example:
http://hg.tuxfamily.org/mercurialroot/h ... di-ring.sh

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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby Atari74user » Thu May 21, 2015 7:31 pm

Just to be clear, I doubt you'll ever be able to convert a MIDI file to an ST sound file, whether it be SNDH or whatever.

I appreciate the concept, but remember a MIDI file is not an audio file in the first place, MIDI is a protocol which merely records the event from a sound source, key note, note length, velocity etc... it in no way contains sound. So as others have said here, the only possibilty is to connect your Atari ST as a sound source using a Chip Tracker to an external MIDI sequencer, and map those MIDI tracks to sounds on the tracker on your ST. Either way, your Atari sounds you wish will of course have to be the sound source as others have said here in various ways to achieve the result.

I am currently re-setting up my studio in a similar way, not to play existing MIDI files, but to utilise my ST and Falcon as a sound source in a MIDI set up.

Doing a search on the web helps, stumbled on this, which is a similar concept:

http://teragonaudio.com/article/You-can ... files.html
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Re: Windows Midi > ST Playback?

Postby smoston » Sun Aug 23, 2015 6:44 am

YM chip has 3 channels

A midi .mid file might have 16 channels along with patch changes

None of the well known Atari trackers read midi files

There are sequencers that can read .mid files then play all 16 channels out of the midi port.

If you have 3 monophonic parts you might be able to do some work to get a YM to play it back.

You'd need one Atari for the midi sequencing/playback then another Atari for the YM playback.

Another way would be to use Maxymiser with midi from Ableton live or Cooledit (any DAW multitracker) then multitrack the YM. Record 1 channel at a time with midi instruments.


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