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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:09 pm

Hey people, would you like to have also a native keyboard / mouse (and possibly joystick) support? You would plug one more cable into CosmosEx, the other end would go to the keyboard connector (instead of original keyboard), and you would be able to use the connected USB mouse / keyboard (and possibly joystick)? This is possible with a little change in the design, I know some of you would like it (2 guys contacted me and said that this should be done in HW ;) ), it would work with games and demos (unlike the emulated keyboard and mouse sent through ACSI).

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby spiny » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:35 pm

Jookie wrote:Hey people, would you like to have also a native keyboard / mouse (and possibly joystick) support? You would plug one more cable into CosmosEx, the other end would go to the keyboard connector (instead of original keyboard), and you would be able to use the connected USB mouse / keyboard (and possibly joystick)? This is possible with a little change in the design, I know some of you would like it (2 guys contacted me and said that this should be done in HW ;) ), it would work with games and demos (unlike the emulated keyboard and mouse sent through ACSI).


yes, I'd like that :)

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby nativ » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:40 pm

like a built in PeST an Eiffel ?
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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Decky » Mon Mar 03, 2014 11:51 pm

This device is just getting better and better.
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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:13 am

nativ wrote:like a built in PeST and Eiffel ?


Yes, it will behave just like that. :)

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby DrCoolZic » Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:30 am

Jookie wrote:
nativ wrote:like a built in PeST and Eiffel ?


Yes, it will behave just like that. :)

This is getting interesting we need to think of a way to repackage the internal Atari Board with CosmosEx board so we can connect to ACSI, FD, and KB connectors and get rid of internal KB

So packaging should contain Atari Board + CosmosEx board + Atari Power Supply + Floppy Disk and still allow access to Atari Video connector (don't need printer / serial) and access to CosmosEx connectors to connect an USB KB + an USB mouse + an USB joystick + an USB gamepad + Ethernet connection

Might be a separate packaging project :mrgreen:

But yes go definitively for this extra features

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby mikro » Thu Mar 06, 2014 10:06 pm

Jookie wrote:you would be able to use the connected USB mouse / keyboard (and possibly joystick)?

Jookie, you prick! :D This is a great idea. I can imagine it even better, to *emulate* joystick with some keys (via some switch or so, haven't thought much about that). That would be ideal for us, old farts, who can't really use the new analog joysticks/joypads but still would love to play some shoot'em ups.

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Fri Mar 07, 2014 4:35 am

mikro wrote:I can imagine it even better, to *emulate* joystick with some keys (via some switch or so, haven't thought much about that). That would be ideal for us, old farts, who can't really use the new analog joysticks/joypads but still would love to play some shoot'em ups.


With the CosmosEx connected to the keyboard interface, this translation of some keys to joystick commands will be just a minor change in the software - we can add features like this easily later.

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby nativ » Fri Mar 07, 2014 10:48 am

JeST support too?
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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:51 am

nativ wrote:JeST support too?


Sorry, no PSX controller support as there isn't a PSX interface on the device - just get a game controller with USB connector instead.

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby scarrabri » Sat Mar 08, 2014 7:39 pm

Hi being new to the Atari world will the Cosmos work as a HD like the Ultrasatan because I cant make my mind up which one is best for me ,I would like a up to date hd storage system and I would like to be on line ,so what is the difference between the two items ,best wishes Brian :) :) :) :)
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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Sun Mar 09, 2014 12:48 am

scarrabri wrote:Hi being new to the Atari world will the Cosmos work as a HD like the Ultrasatan because I cant make my mind up which one is best for me ,I would like a up to date hd storage system and I would like to be on line ,so what is the difference between the two items ,best wishes Brian :) :) :) :)


Normal HDDs and their replacements (e.g. UltraSatan) send raw sectors to the ST and the ST handles file systems, files, directories, and so on.
CosmosEx has this mode too, but it can also access the media in translated mode, that means that the ST will not handle the file system directly, but will instead leave that to the device, and this enables you to use e.g. shared folder from Windows just like another drive under plain TOS, with good transfer speed, and no need for another networking software if all you need is this sharing data with PC. But CosmosEx will also have a driver for the network, so it will also replace a network card for any usage, not just file sharing (this still has to be done), it has also a floppy emulator, and will work as a keyboard emulator, too ;)

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby nativ » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:00 am

Jookie wrote:
nativ wrote:JeST support too?


Sorry, no PSX controller support as there isn't a PSX interface on the device - just get a game controller with USB connector instead.



http://www.thrustmaster.com/products/fi ... al-power-3 I have these ( 2 of :D )

Is it possible to have the JeST PSx translator in the USB hub? if that makes sense ? so like you have the PeST for a USB mouse, you can plug in the USB pad for 'direct' joy support

Can you also hijack in software? the JagPad ports? The controller I mention above has loads of buttons like a JP :)

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby scarrabri » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:16 am

Jookie wrote:
scarrabri wrote:Hi being new to the Atari world will the Cosmos work as a HD like the Ultrasatan because I cant make my mind up which one is best for me ,I would like a up to date hd storage system and I would like to be on line ,so what is the difference between the two items ,best wishes Brian :) :) :) :)


Normal HDDs and their replacements (e.g. UltraSatan) send raw sectors to the ST and the ST handles file systems, files, directories, and so on.
CosmosEx has this mode too, but it can also access the media in translated mode, that means that the ST will not handle the file system directly, but will instead leave that to the device, and this enables you to use e.g. shared folder from Windows just like another drive under plain TOS, with good transfer speed, and no need for another networking software if all you need is this sharing data with PC. But CosmosEx will also have a driver for the network, so it will also replace a network card for any usage, not just file sharing (this still has to be done), it has also a floppy emulator, and will work as a keyboard emulator, too ;)


Hi Jookie and thanks very much for the explanation my friend and what an exciting project and it looks like the CosmosEx is probably what I should be looking at to buy when they are available. I have registered for one now and there's much for me to learn as I have only just got used to the Amiga ,but the Atari ste has got me intrigued and proving to be quite a star in my eyes ,so again thanks very much ,best wishes Brian. :) :) :)
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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Sun Mar 09, 2014 1:41 am

nativ wrote:Is it possible to have the JeST PSx translator in the USB hub? if that makes sense ?


I would go for some PSX to USB device, something like this:
http://www.amazon.com/Playstation-Contr ... B000F6BGXY
...although I'm not sure what is the support for things like this under Raspberry Pi, but I can check that later...

nativ wrote:Can you also hijack in software? the JagPad ports? The controller I mention above has loads of buttons like a JP :)


As the JagPads in STE are not connected through keyboard but directly to bus, the jagpad emulation can't be done in HW, and a SW solution wouldn't work well...

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Kirkman » Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:53 pm

This project sounds really awesome. The networked mode is what I'm most interested in. Jookie do you have a release date in mind?


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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Fri Mar 28, 2014 5:26 am

Kirkman wrote:This project sounds really awesome. The networked mode is what I'm most interested in. Jookie do you have a release date in mind?


I'm finishing small modifications in hardware, which are related to keyboard emulation and some bug fixes, I need to make one final prototype before the making the whole batch, so I guess the manufacturing process of the batch will start in half of the April, and the devices will be available for buying in the start of may (after all manufacturing and assembly is done).

The biggest problem with the manufacturing are the DB19 connectors for ACSI port - I didn't receive any reply from connectworld.net , hello-cables.com , connections-usa.com, and the reply from iec-usa.com was that they don't have them anymore... There are few pieces on eBay, but not enough of them, and they are expensive. I've also contacted some suppliers from China, most of them are unable to get the DB19 connector, and one which was able to get them, offered only complete cables in the quantity of 1000 pieces, which is far more than what we need and thus would be very expensive... and I don't want to end up in cutting the DB25 to DB19 - I did that with SatanDisk, the cables looked ugly and people complained.

So if anybody knows where could I buy 100 pieces of DB19, just let me know ;)

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Dal » Fri Mar 28, 2014 7:55 am

Lotharek seems to have a supply - have you asked him?

Or Wolfgang Förster (http://shop.inventronik.de/store)?
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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:22 am

Dal wrote:Lotharek seems to have a supply - have you asked him?

Or Wolfgang Förster (http://shop.inventronik.de/store)?


Lotharek wrote that he orders complete cables from USA, but he didn't write from where (and I didn't ask him anymore)... I can ask Wolfgang, thanks for the tip...

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby alexh » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:28 am

Jookie wrote:So if anybody knows where could I buy 100 pieces of DB19, just let me know ;)

I am pretty sure I can get them through work (OCZ Storage Solutions) what would be a good price? DB19 male, solder type with housing?

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:30 am

alexh wrote:I am pretty sure I can get them through work (OCZ Storage Solutions) what would be a good price? DB19 male, solder type with housing?


I have no idea of a 'good' price for these, normal connectors cost 0.5 to 1.5 Euro per piece, but the DB19 are more expensive as they are hard to get (like 5 Euro on eBay).

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby alexh » Fri Mar 28, 2014 8:38 am

Our USA supplier quoted $7.19 each plus shipping for the Male DB19 solder connector plus the hood and they have 100 in stock.

But coming from USA I think we'd also get stung for import duty to the EU.

I see them available on ebay in the EU for $8.60 including postage

I'll keep asking.
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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby Jookie » Fri Mar 28, 2014 9:36 am

Dal wrote:Or Wolfgang Förster (http://shop.inventronik.de/store)?


I got answer from Wolfgang, that he bought them some time ago and now they don't seem to have any more in the stock...

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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby qq1975b » Fri Mar 28, 2014 12:38 pm

seems most of them are in USA...(just googled for DB19 Male Solder Connector) pricing from $3.60 to $7.50... :(
Shipping not available or expensive to Europe. Maybe someone in USA can get them and send them to you (just like Tenox did with Simbo here: viewtopic.php?f=27&t=20121&start=250 ) in smaller packages.
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Re: CosmosEx - new device for your Atari ST

Postby alexh » Fri Mar 28, 2014 1:21 pm

qq1975b wrote:pricing from $3.60 to $7.50... :(

The $3.60 ones tend just to be the metal bits and the $7.50 include the housing.


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