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SuperVidel demo videos

Postby instream » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:26 pm

We have uploaded some demo videos of the SuperVidel at youtube:

#1: Basic functionality
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJW2eH-ZunE

#2: Hardware demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQZnI2MAAN8

#3: High resolution in Mint
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vaTGYpDt5Wo

To read more about the SuperVidel, look at nature.atari.org.

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby Dal » Mon Feb 21, 2011 10:43 pm

VERY impressive stuff! Thanks for posting this up - looking forward to getting my hands on one of these :mrgreen:
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby christos » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:01 pm

I am very impressed! The performance is amazing for an atari. I wonder if demos etc could be easily patched to make use of the supervidel so that they will run much faster. Oh, and more videos please :)
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby wongck » Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:37 pm

Great video showing what it can do :thumbs:

But on the hardware video, the cards are moved back a few cm by an extension board ??
(not the one the raise it)
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby instream » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:10 pm

Dal wrote:VERY impressive stuff! Thanks for posting this up - looking forward to getting my hands on one of these :mrgreen:


You have registered then, haven't you? :)

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby instream » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:24 pm

christos wrote:I am very impressed! The performance is amazing for an atari. I wonder if demos etc could be easily patched to make use of the supervidel so that they will run much faster. Oh, and more videos please :)


All writes of screen data need to be ORed with 0xA0000000, to point them to the SuperVidel DDR RAM address space. So I guess you need to find in the binary where a screen buffer is Mxalloced, and then OR the result with 0xA0000000. That should be all.

Is there anything special you would like to see on video? :)

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby Dal » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:44 pm

instream wrote:
Dal wrote:VERY impressive stuff! Thanks for posting this up - looking forward to getting my hands on one of these :mrgreen:


You have registered then, haven't you? :)


I have indeed... :)
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby instream » Tue Feb 22, 2011 9:47 pm

wongck wrote:Great video showing what it can do :thumbs:

But on the hardware video, the cards are moved back a few cm by an extension board ??
(not the one the raise it)
Do we need this or it is just for your development?


There are some photos and a discussion of this on the SuperVidel page at nature.atari.org, under FAQ at the end of the page.
Basically you could do without the extender boards, but then you can only fit ONE board on the CT60 (like a SuperVidel), if you intend to use the internal keyboard. There will be some risk of the pins of the superVidel touching a screw at the back of the internal keyboard, so you must remove that screw.

If you instead go through the hassle of soldering off the old CT60 connectors (the 30 and 50pin connecting to the motherboard) and solder the extenderboards in place, you will get a much neater looking falcon. And you can have TWO boards on the CT60. If you add 3 boards, I think you will hit the ceiling of the falcon case either way. :)

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby CiH » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:05 pm

Great stuff! :cheers:

Suggestions for some real-world eye-candy stuff to try out with it;

1. How fast can it render a thumbnail gallery in zView and display pictures from there?
2. Aniplayer or MPlayer movie replay on the desktop. Beetle showed off the CTPCI doing this at the last Outline party.

That'll do for now, someone else have a go. :mrgreen:
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Postby Dal » Tue Feb 22, 2011 10:27 pm

A Duke Nukem / Quake demo would be cool...
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby wongck » Tue Feb 22, 2011 11:41 pm

instream wrote:There are some photos and a discussion of this on the SuperVidel page at nature.atari.org, under FAQ at the end of the page.
Basically you could do without the extender boards, but then you can only fit ONE board on the CT60 (like a SuperVidel), if you intend to use the internal keyboard. There will be some risk of the pins of the superVidel touching a screw at the back of the internal keyboard, so you must remove that screw.

If you instead go through the hassle of soldering off the old CT60 connectors (the 30 and 50pin connecting to the motherboard) and solder the extenderboards in place, you will get a much neater looking falcon. And you can have TWO boards on the CT60. If you add 3 boards, I think you will hit the ceiling of the falcon case either way. :)


Thanks for the answer.
With SV, I think there is no more need to have another board on the CT6x. It already have video & network. What else is there?
It will be a tight fit.
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby Dal » Wed Feb 23, 2011 6:54 am

Yes - I couldn't really get my head around the question "do you want to pay €250 or €350 for it?"...
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Postby instream » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:39 am

Dal wrote:Yes - I couldn't really get my head around the question "do you want to pay €250 or €350 for it?"...


The reason that we gave people two price categories to consider is that there is a circular dependency regarding the price: If many boards are ordered, the price per board will go down. But most people will only order if the price is lower. I guess we should have added a third category, with a price range of 150 to 199 EUR (plus VAT), but then we would have needed at least 120 orders (rough estimate). Hopefully we can reach that number anyway, and then lower the price below the 200 + VAT, if people will just wake up and register before March 15th. :)
If you know a forum or homepage that we haven't posted on already, please post this info for us... :)

If you should think that 250 EUR for the SuperVidel is expensive (we think so too), you really should compare that to the 300 EUR that you paid for the CT60 (plus 100 EUR for the 68060), which has a much lower bill-of-materials cost than the SuperVidel. :)

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby instream » Wed Feb 23, 2011 9:40 am

CiH wrote:Great stuff! :cheers:

Suggestions for some real-world eye-candy stuff to try out with it;

1. How fast can it render a thumbnail gallery in zView and display pictures from there?
2. Aniplayer or MPlayer movie replay on the desktop. Beetle showed off the CTPCI doing this at the last Outline party.

That'll do for now, someone else have a go. :mrgreen:


We´ll discuss with Pep and see what we can do :)

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby joska » Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:31 pm

Very impressive :-) Do you think it's possible to implement the SuperVidel on the Firebee as well?

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby instream » Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:09 am

joska wrote:Very impressive :-) Do you think it's possible to implement the SuperVidel on the Firebee as well?

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Little less than two years ago we were contacted by the ACP team regarding this matter, where they asked if we had any Videl VHDL code to share with them. At that time we had no Videl compatibility code at all yet. So eventually they went ahead with their own design.

Don't know if this answers your question :)

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby christos » Thu Feb 24, 2011 2:57 pm

Indeed, I'd like to see some videos being played with aniplayer as well as some images being displayed.
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby instream » Fri Feb 25, 2011 2:17 pm

Maybe we can record something on sunday, not home until then :)

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Postby instream » Sun Feb 27, 2011 7:13 pm

Just wanted to say, in case anybody is waiting, that I have found some AVI movies at Beetles FTP account at ftp.untergrund.net. One is the same as he uses in a CTPCI demo video. I don't have time to film it tonight though. Hopefully tomorrow.

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby joska » Sun Feb 27, 2011 8:22 pm

instream wrote:Little less than two years ago we were contacted by the ACP team regarding this matter, where they asked if we had any Videl VHDL code to share with them. At that time we had no Videl compatibility code at all yet. So eventually they went ahead with their own design.

Don't know if this answers your question :)


Sort of. So I guess it's possible :) The Firebee Videl is so far just a clone of the original, but capable of much faster clocks. It would be a great advantage if extensions - like your "super-blitter" would be compatible.
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby mdivancic » Sun Feb 27, 2011 11:32 pm

So very cool. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby instream » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:25 pm

We have just posted a 4th demo video on youtube, showing some Aniplayer playback:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96epSDwfPnk

We don't have a patched Quake port yet, so we don't think it's worth to show on the SV, but if/when we do it we can show that too. Also left to do is a dual screen demo. Hopefully done during the upcoming weekend.

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby instream » Mon Feb 28, 2011 10:30 pm

joska wrote:
instream wrote:Little less than two years ago we were contacted by the ACP team regarding this matter, where they asked if we had any Videl VHDL code to share with them. At that time we had no Videl compatibility code at all yet. So eventually they went ahead with their own design.

Don't know if this answers your question :)


Sort of. So I guess it's possible :) The Firebee Videl is so far just a clone of the original, but capable of much faster clocks. It would be a great advantage if extensions - like your "super-blitter" would be compatible.


It sounds like a long-shot that our SuperBlitter would fit the VHDL code of the Firebee, mainly since it is created for a different FPGA chip. But doesn't it already have a blitter? :)

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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby joska » Tue Mar 01, 2011 12:01 pm

instream wrote:It sounds like a long-shot that our SuperBlitter would fit the VHDL code of the Firebee, mainly since it is created for a different FPGA chip. But doesn't it already have a blitter? :)


I wasn't thinking about the actual code, but keeping any Supervidel/Firebee-extensions to the Videl compatible.
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Re: SuperVidel demo videos

Postby wongck » Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:40 pm

€ 350... I am still thinking very hard to get one.
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