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is there a PC demo scene?

Postby SkylineDave » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:24 pm

was just wondering whether there are Windows-compatable megademos for the PC using modern hardware but still using some vintage ideas (scrollers, rasters and so on!)
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Postby keili » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:59 pm

Don't know about Windows demos, but i have some CD's full of DOS demos made in the 90's. Not time to watch them yet.
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Postby NiceGuyUK » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:36 pm

Massive PC scene out there, though not always as Old School as us Atarians see it. I'd wander off to places like http://www.scene.org, http://www.pouet.net and http://www.scenemusic.net to get acquainted....
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Postby Womble » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:37 pm

Yes there is althought its far less visible than the old ST scene was.

Check this DirectX demo out - it will blow your socks off.

http://www.xyzw.de/x011.html

Needs a fairly decent PC to max the settings tho.

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Postby aktiv8 » Tue Dec 13, 2005 9:39 pm

Not seen any windows stuff other than a few sites with the classic demo effects etc programmed in Java and the such-like. The closest I've seen really are 'cracktros' by the PC groups Reloaded, Deviance etc...

I too have quite a few DOS demos from the 90's - I remember PC Format at one time going demo mad and including some really cool DOS demos and XM modules on their cover disks...

Perhaps I should check out Google for a few possible pages :?
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Postby CiH » Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:05 am

On Pouet.net there is a lot of controversy over a demo construction kit, the "Old School Demo Maker" (OSDM) for short.

It's the spiritual successor to the old demo construction kits on the Amiga and ST. You can knock up your own in a few minutes.

So yes, it is still possible to get oldschool stuff on the PC, but on the other hand, they're getting fed up with the current batch, and people abusing the OSDM!
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Postby manicx » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:46 am

Well, when I attended the Alternative Party in 2003, the PC demo scene had some nice demos to present. However, Vic-20 won! :)
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Postby Mug UK » Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:07 am

CiH - where's this OSDM available for download. A quick Google came up with a few pages on Pouet.net but no download links.

Might be a useful tool for CD intros ... :)
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Postby NiceGuyUK » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:54 am

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Postby SkylineDave » Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:28 pm

thanks for the replies guys. has anyone got the Old Skool Demo Maker as all links, as MugUK says, seem to have disappeared. no luck on file sharing either :(


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Postby SkylineDave » Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:36 pm

Womble wrote:Yes there is althought its far less visible than the old ST scene was.

Check this DirectX demo out - it will blow your socks off.

http://www.xyzw.de/x011.html

Needs a fairly decent PC to max the settings tho.



wow! that was amazing. fun to watch too. and a catchy little tune.
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Postby Goldrunner » Thu Dec 15, 2005 11:53 pm

That is one cool demo :!: Will have to check out some more in the near future when time permits.

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Postby IllegalException » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:00 pm

I lost track on the PC-demo scene more or less after The Computer Crossroad convention in Gothenburg '93. Hmm...or maybe a couple of years after. The Triton demo (Crystal Dreams II...right?) that won TCC '93 was as excellent and had as much "legendary potential" as Enigma by Phenomena on the Amiga or Cuddly Demos by TCB on the ST. That finnish crew...jeez...my memory is lacking like there is no tomorrow did some very nice demos after the Triton demo. Their musician was Purple Motion who did some excellent tracks.

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Postby IllegalException » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:17 pm

That's the name! Thanks! If my memory is not lacking - as it normally is - Aggression were connected to Future Crew somewhat... Can't remember if some of them ever joined or if they were just friends. Jeez, I can't even remember the names of our former finnish contacts... *sigh*
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Postby Mug UK » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:41 pm

Agression (although a different team I guess) are big on the PC warez scene doing keygens and such like.
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Postby keops » Thu Jan 19, 2006 7:02 pm

This one for instance? ;)

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http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=11282

It features plasma, scrollers, glenz vectors, checkerboard, rotozoom and rasters :)

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Re: is there a PC demo scene?

Postby dml » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:57 am

(old thread, but some stuff still worth saying...)

The PC demo scene is pretty active and there is some great stuff to look at - but there are problems with the PC arena which drain some of the original interest factor - you'll find frequent references and nods to the 'old times' (see below :-) when things seemed 'better'...

- every PC is built differently - so compatibility is not great. a lot of them only run on one make of graphics card (NV). some of them require specific drivers or other nonsense - it's often easier to watch them on youtube because at least that works! it's hard work for coders to deal with this because the PC hardware landscape is very bumpy...
- PCs perform differently anyway so it's hard to 'fully use' one machine without flooring another, making the content cutoff hard to choose
- there's a lot of controversy over hardware acceleration and whether it has ruined the scene by making too many things too easy (actually some of that stuff is really hard to code, but the power available does raise the minimum bar by a huge amount, if your card is an expensive model)
- the audience is more 'consumer', far less technical, less appreciative - most of them just assume demos been done in Adobe or something - no concept of realtime programming - they are happy if it looks pretty and the music is nice.
- it takes ages to make a demo worthy of viewing on a PC. its a ton of work. few have the time.

You'll notice 'old times' icons such as the 16bit floppy disk / joystick - or bits of STs/Amigas or logos in background art - and glitchy fullscreen post effects that look like interlaced TVs, retro machines & arcade boxes.

Anyway when you filter out the stuff that 'seems easy' on a PC (everything 'seems' easy on a fast PC) and the temptation to stream huge amounts of stuff from somewhere for free, there are only a few demos which are unambiguously good - something only a 1st class demo crew could pull off - pure audio-visual-realtime awesomeness...

Here are a few favourites. Note the 4k/64l demos are sometimes better than the fat ones.

'high end':
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXE2pn_s818
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqu_IpkOYBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdHaRq7FnDM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqu_IpkOYBg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc9SEvCKck8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FhKhOqEqY4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9DbxVfkqsc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUVFqhg1vr8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUawxurEQJU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rg22pbQsAaU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3f3Fid-HWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbQhgEJuExY

64k:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFXIGHOElrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIcHi1qJK0k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CBQI7cktMk

4k:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjSJc2eCetE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAcoerRb2xQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0w_xEUoK79o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkD0AzYcJIQ

1k:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaFjjA0t9pw

'bring back the only demo art - bring back the old times' - Kewlers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX-cVUg57EE

So there are plenty of nice PC demos and a few are amazing. But most of them really just want to be 16bit again :-P


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