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Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby powerman_twb » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:16 pm

Dreamzone by TWB had a preview of our game "Cool J Charlie", unfortunately I can't get it to work under STeem or SainT - the megademo itself works, just the game preview screen doesn't. I know there's a way becase there's a screenshot on the URL below, presumably taken from an emulator but it could be the real thing, can't really tell:

http://pouet.net/prod.php?which=15494

Does anyone know how to get the game preview working? Using STeem I can get to the "press space to play" screen but then nothing happens when I hit space. Under the latest version of SainT I can only get past the megademo intro, once the main menu appears it freezes.

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby lotek_style » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:56 pm

Hm did you try different TOS versions?

As far as I can see KEOPS did the screenshot on pouet... maybe you ask him which emulator that he used.
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby Stefan jL » Mon Dec 31, 2012 9:56 pm

Maybe try Hatari, although i never tried it so does it seems be a good emulator.

You sound desperate to play the preview... is it nostalgia that hit you? :)
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby Zorro 2 » Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:32 pm

Very hard to navigate inside the menu with Steem SSE 3.4.1 but it reveals some bugs with the space bar.
Some screens are frozen when you leave them or you don't escape from :(
Another bug : if you passe the first door and if press space bar, you load the screen from the door 8O

If I see the date, maybe it's possible to test it on Pacifist or old version with Steem ?
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby powerman_twb » Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:42 pm

Thanks for the tips guys, I'll give Hatari a try. I've tried various TOS but always get the same result. Yes nostalgia has hit me recently and I've been watching all the old classics like the Cuddly Demos etc, actually I'm working some Android game projects and thought I'd use some old ST demos as inspiration...

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Haven't noticed any bugs with the space bar in the main menu on STeem, it's only the CJC preview screen that fails (I'm not using STeem SSE though, just the regular STeem version 3.2)

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby Stefan jL » Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:37 pm

Is not the Amiga version of Cool J Charlie (Charlie J Cool) a better version to be "inspired" by? :)
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby powerman_twb » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:31 pm

Yes, the Amiga version is better, but I wasn't looking at my old game for inspiration, I just wanted to look at some old demos and I remembered I hadn't seen the ST version of CJC for a long time and then I couldn't get it to work!!! Very annoying...I might have to dig out my real ST and see if it still works :-)

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby lotek_style » Wed Jan 02, 2013 7:36 pm

Dig out the sources and finish off the ST Version :P
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby nativ » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:06 pm

lotek_style wrote:Dig out the sources and finish off the ST Version :P


seconded ;)
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby powerman_twb » Fri Jan 04, 2013 10:03 pm

Ha ha ha, the only sources I have are a stack of printed sheets about 2 inches thick, I don't have the floppies anymore...

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby nativ » Fri Jan 04, 2013 11:10 pm

powerman_twb wrote:Ha ha ha, the only sources I have are a stack of printed sheets about 2 inches thick, I don't have the floppies anymore...



OCR them :idea: ?
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby powerman_twb » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:07 pm

It's 2 inches thick! Anyway, I don't think the ST version was very good from what I remember, technically it wasn't bad with sync scrolling and whatever that effect was called when you change the background colour on every scanline to create a gradient for the sky...but it only scrolled horizontally and the sprite count was limited to keep it at 50hz.

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boy

Postby lotek_style » Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:46 pm

Sounds like a "lets type in the listing job" :)
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby AtariZoll » Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:43 am

By me it works fine in Steem 3.2 . TOS version is not relevant, it seems. And there is vertical scroll too. But no enemies, no objects. So, only some run and jump around. Question is, would those things break timing, and causing slowdowns, screen errors. In any case, this is far from some playable version, and I would say that max 30% of job is done, considering some playable game. So, even with sources available lot of work.
Looking Amiga version - some Kid Gloves elements added, so basically nothing really new.
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby Maartau » Sat Jun 13, 2015 9:33 am

Any news for the sources ? OCR scans ?
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby powerman_twb » Wed Jul 01, 2015 4:57 pm

@AtariZoll

I'm using Steem 3.2 also but the CJC preview won't go past the intro screen...I can't really remember much about the preview except it was a very early demo. The Amiga version had a lot of new stuff compared to the ST version, which is why we ceased development on it (even though it was fully playable). I wish we'd released it now :-(

Are you sure you're not confusing the main menu with the game preview, as you mentioned vertically scrolling and the main menu scrolls in all directions, but the game preview only scrolls horizontally.

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I have the complete source code for the final ST version of CJC...but I don't think I have all the graphics and sound files! They're probably in a box somewhere.

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby lotek_style » Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:34 pm

Powerman: would be worth to go trough your disks :)
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby Stefan jL » Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:05 pm

I have an old unlisted Youtube video showing parts of the Dreamzone Demo including the Cool J Charlie preview... but i don't play it well :oops:
Seen around 20:40 in the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYNiEIj0zec

And also here is a new video showing the Amiga demo version, i play through the whole demo level :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMEAX1tqxwM
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Postby Marcer » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:46 pm

Powerman

I second lotek image your floppys and put them here and see what happens

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby powerman_twb » Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:40 pm

Stefan jL wrote:I have an old unlisted Youtube video showing parts of the Dreamzone Demo including the Cool J Charlie preview... but i don't play it well :oops:
Seen around 20:40 in the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYNiEIj0zec

And also here is a new video showing the Amiga demo version, i play through the whole demo level :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMEAX1tqxwM


That brings back some memories! I haven't seen that CJC preview since we released it, although the lack of inertia on Charlie really lets it down. Thankfully the game was much improved before we abandoned it. Also Charlie decided to start wearing shades and doing that white t-shirt, jeans and blazer thing after he left the ST, what a dick.

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby lotek_style » Tue Jul 21, 2015 12:58 pm

After watching the video ... it looks really nice :) Can somebody rip out the preview?
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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby Maartau » Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:31 pm

powerman_twb wrote:All my disks are at my parent's house in Spain where they've been for over 10 years, they've probably melted by now!


No luck to have them back ? Will it possible to ask your parents if they at least kept them ?

(Just a question 8) ).

Yeah, Cool J Charlie preview is really nice :thumbs: .

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby powerman_twb » Sat Sep 05, 2015 3:10 pm

They still have my disks, and my ST, and my Amiga, but I haven't seen them for 10 years (the disks, not my parents!). One day if I have time I'll dig out the ST and see if they still work...

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Re: Cool J Charlie preview in Dreamzone demo by The Wild Boys

Postby Maartau » Sat Sep 05, 2015 5:40 pm

powerman_twb wrote:They still have my disks, and my ST, and my Amiga, but I haven't seen them for 10 years (the disks, not my parents!). One day if I have time I'll dig out the ST and see if they still work...

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